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Re: 35, 5, and 2

Post  Joel H on Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:15 am

Nice looking runs lately...goodbye Spring...HELLO SUMMER! You are absolutely NUTS for training for an early fall marathon in Houston. The only time I will do it is if I am doing the marathon for fun and even then I may end up stopping in the middle of the cycle. I can't imagine running a 20 miler in early/mid September when the temps are possibly still in the upper 90s/100.

What other marathons are you doing?
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Post  ounce on Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:03 pm

Joel, thanks.

Well, it's taxing but one of the benefits of running before sunrise is the temperature is on 83 degrees, 95% humidity and calm winds. So the sun isn't beating down on me, but I need to run some in the sun to get that kind of acclimation.

The other 4 marathons I'm planning on doing is Fort Worth in November, probably Bryan-College Station in December (or White Rock), Houston, and probably USA Fit in Sugar Land at the end of January.

About Houston, I confirmed recently that I have 5 official Houston finishes, so I am permanently excluded from having to deal with the marathon lottery for all eternity.

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Re: 35, 5, and 2

Post  Mark B on Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:18 pm

Your recent runs are looking good, Oz. I didn't realize your have such an ambitious plan. Five marathons? Yipes!

That elevation in your heart rate that you saw in those last few miles this weekend might simply be about adaptation. I've found that, when I push the miles past distances to which my body has become accustomed, my HR pops up quickly. After one or two runs at the longer distance, however, my body adapts (or simply gets the clue "Oh! We're running farther now. Okay.") and things settle down. That might be the same for you.

Animal crackers seem awfully dry and gummy, especially when you're losing 5 pounds of water weight on a single run. Is there anymore more moist you can take for carb supplementation on the run?
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Re: 35, 5, and 2

Post  Joel H on Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:30 pm

I run early in the morning too for those same reasons but I am not crazy enough to try 20 miles in that kind of heat. You are a better man than I am.

By the way, if you are still deciding on a race for December you might want to look at the End of the World marathon and the Day after the End of the World marathon (you can get to both by clicking here http://www.50statesmarathonclub.com/endworld.html). They are put on by the same group who runs the Texas Marathon in Kingwood and run on the same course as well. Not sure if that is far enough a part from Houston but just thought you might want to know. I am thinking about running the Day after the End of the World (since I am an optomist Wink ).

I don't want to run Houston for that exact reason...I have the 10k time to get in advance but I missed it by 2 months...it only goes back to January 2011 and I ran my last 10k in Oct 2010. I am still debating if I want to go through the lottery process and if I want to run it again. I am kind of tired of the course even though I have only run 1 full, I have done 3 1/2 marathons on that course. I am really intrigued by the End of the World races except it is 4 loops on a 6+ mile course....however if they give out medals like they do for the Texas Marathon, I am all for it. I am still jealous of my wife's she got a few years ago. It is the size of a dinner plate and I think weights like 5 lbs.
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Re: 35, 5, and 2

Post  ounce on Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:11 pm

Not the better man, just have to get the miles in when I can work them in. Thanks for the heads up on those races. They put on good races.

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This morning it was 73 degrees with a 67 degree dewpoint at 3:30. Did I mention it was dark at that time? I'm used to it. Most of the 4 or 5 of us at Memorial Park are getting our runs out of the way. Today was an 8 mile run. I wanted to see what 135 bpm (67%) would give me in this weather.

My legs were a little dead, but I attribute that to the lower carb idea I'm trying. Being on a lower carb diet has been interesting with my running. A couple of times, I consumed about a serving of pasta (64 grams) the day before a big run and when I ran, my legs felt like they had adrenalin in them. Lots of energy. But this was not that morning. Wednesday's run will have some pre-load pasta on Tuesday.

8.11 miles, 1:45:54, 13:03 pace, 135 avg bpm, 152 max bpm during mile 6, first half 13 min, 2nd half 13:06


  1. 12:54, 131 bpm
  2. 12:50, 134 bpm
  3. 13:10, 135 bpm
  4. 13:09, 136 bpm
  5. 13:02, 135 bpm
  6. 12:59, 137 bpm
  7. 13:09, 135 bpm
  8. 13:08, 136 bpm

It was feeling pretty good, for the most part. I want to compare a similar run from last year against today's. So I found one from June 28.

June 28, 2011. 8.11 miles, 1:45:57, 13:03 pace, 144 bpm avg, 161 bpm max during the last mile. Probably weighed just under 200 pounds and it was probably in the high 70's to 81 degrees.


  1. 12:31, 130 bpm
  2. 12:14, 139 bpm
  3. 12:44, 141 bpm
  4. 13:10, 147 bpm
  5. 13:38, 147 bpm
  6. 13:31, 147 bpm
  7. 13:31, 147 bpm
  8. 13:08, 148 bpm

Mark wrote earlier about my 14 mile run and how the heart rate went up because I may have been past my body's comfort level. That happened much earlier in this run.

April 28, 2011. 8.12 miles, 1:46:13, 13:04 pace, 134 bpm, 147 max bpm during mile 6.


  1. 12:46, 128 bpm
  2. 12:41, 136 bpm
  3. 12:53, 137 bpm
  4. 13:10, 136 bpm
  5. 12:59, 136 bpm
  6. 13:21, 134 bpm
  7. 13:30, 133 bpm
  8. 13:18, 133 bpm

Eerily similar and 30 pounds heavier. However, on this run, I was bleeding time the last 3 miles.
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Re: 35, 5, and 2

Post  Mark B on Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:27 pm

Going low-carb? Hoo-boy! I experimented with that back in early 2010 (South Beach diet experiment), and it felt like I was running in quicksand. Even slow, my HR would jump up beyond the target level. I was practically crawling as my body had to rely on only fat as a fuel source.

BUT... but that was the training cycle in which I saw the most dramatic improvement in time and led to my marathon PR in Eugene. Now, I can't say for sure if the fat-burning training early on had anything to do with it, but it just might have...
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Re: 35, 5, and 2

Post  ounce on Tue May 01, 2012 7:59 am

Well, it takes an extra step to burn fat, instead of carbs, so maybe if my body gets used to burning fat, it'll make the switch sooner during a run.

Just part of the ol' diabolical scheme.

And to your comment about me running 5 marathons, this cycle, that's what the "5" in "35, 5, and 2" blog title is.
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Re: 35, 5, and 2

Post  Joel H on Tue May 01, 2012 8:04 am

Looking really strong Oz.
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Re: 35, 5, and 2

Post  ounce on Sun May 06, 2012 4:44 am

Thanks, Joel, but let's see what I look like at Labor Day (month before Odessa). A long and hot summer ahead of us, except for Mark, of course. Lucky dog.

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Wednesday, May 2. At work, we're doing a 24 Hours of LeWalk competition in the weight loss competition that I'm directing. Whichever team walks the highest average of steps in a 24 hour period, gets a weight reduction for the team. I'm also on a two-person team. This is the 4th walking competition that I've done. I've always had the highest number of steps, usually because I'll run greater than 10 miles, at least, depending on whether I think the competition is going to try to win & to offset a lower number of steps of my teammate. It is about 2,200 steps per mile.

So, I set out to run 13 miles.`On the morning of the 1st (Tuesday) , I ate about a 1/2 cup of cooked rice to see if that would give me any fuel forWednesday morning 13 miler. I have been working on losing weight and consuming fewer carbs is part of it. It's part of the experiment. I was thinking that eating the rice about 18 hours before the run is too much time to have any of the rice's effect be there by 2 a.m.

71 degrees and a 67 degree dewpoint. I set out to go 13 miles. During the 2nd mile, I came to the conclusion that this wasn't going to be a good run. 18 hours was too much time for the rice to do any good. I'll probably have a 14 minute mile and no negative split.

12.82 miles, 2:55:55, 13:43 pace, 130 avg bpm, 153 bpm hr max.


  1. 12:51, 127 bpm
  2. 12:53, 124 bpm
  3. 13:13, 136 bpm
  4. 13:43, 135 bpm
  5. 13:44, 132 bpm
  6. 13:46, 125 bpm
  7. 13:47, 127 bpm
  8. 14:16, 128 bpm
  9. 13:52, 130 bpm
  10. 13:54, 132 bpm
  11. 13:56, 130 bpm
  12. 14:10, 130 bpm
  13. 14:16 (pace) 130 bpm

Ended up having the most steps in the competition and my team had the highest average steps. At least there was some good to that run. There may not be any 'junk' miles that are ran, but there sure are 'no fun' miles.
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Post  ounce on Sun May 06, 2012 7:04 am

Friday, May 4. Well, I'm going to classify this one as a recovery run, in order to recover something from Wednesday's run. I didn't have a whole lot of time, so it gets to be the 6.7 mile route I've done a lot, over the years. I'll start on the training schedule for Odessa on the 16th.

71 degrees with 100% humidity. 6.7 miles, 1:27:00, 12:58 pace, 139 avg HR, 155 max hr in the last mile, 1st half 13:05, 2nd half 12:51.


  1. 13:10, 134 bpm
  2. 12:55, 136 bpm
  3. 13:07, 138 bpm
  4. 12:55, 140 bpm
  5. 12:55, 142 bpm
  6. 12:55, 143 bpm
  7. 12:46 (pace), 145 bpm

Looking forward to getting on the schedule, except for the heat.
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Post  ounce on Tue May 08, 2012 12:16 pm

I ran yesterday morning, but I don't have the figures here with me. It was a 6.7 miler and the average HR was around 140 bpm. I know that's higher than what I usually run at (130), but it felt good. It was 71 degrees with 100% humidity, so I figure some of the increase in heart rate was due to the lack of convection.

And, I figure, that if my legs and lungs are catching up with my circulatory system, then I'll be able to maintain the speed, when the HR goes down. And that's a good thing.

Separately, I wanted to document the weight loss since 2011 in tangible ways, other than weight, if for nothing else so I will have a place to go to when I want to remember what I did in 2011 and 2012. It's not to call attention to myself.

I needed to buy a suit for a graduation event this month because in January, when I had to go to a coat 'n tie event, my suit fit me as if I was a little kid again & trying on my dad's clothes.

In 2003, I wore a size 50 coat and weighed 270. In 2006, after losing 40 pounds (and completing 3 marathons), I was down to a 46 with a 16-1/2" shirt. Last month, after losing another 45 pounds since 2006, I bought a size 42 with a 15-1/2" shirt and 35" pants, on the suit, setting comfortably above my hips, not laying on the bed trying to zip them up. In 2003, I was stretching 2XL t-shirts, which was what motivated me to lose the weight because I didn't want to buy a new wardrobe in 3XL. Now, I can wear large shirts with plenty of room as mediums are just a tad tight. Buying clothes has been a lot of fun. The guy at Macy's said I could wear a 40, if I had to, but a 42 will look real comfortable on me.

I've lost 17 of the 35 pounds for the year I want to lose. I don't think I'll be able to lose all of the remaining 18 pounds by the end of July. I would like to get to 171 because according to the BMI scale, 172 is the low end of 'overweight'.
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Re: 35, 5, and 2

Post  Mark B on Tue May 08, 2012 2:25 pm

I know you just want to document your weight loss to remind you how far you came, but I have to give you three cheers and then some for the progress you've made.

cheers cheers cheers bounce bounce bounce cheers cheers cheers

You're doing this the right way, and it's paying off. Bravo!

It's so cool when the need to resize goes the opposite direction. Very Happy
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Re: 35, 5, and 2

Post  Joel H on Tue May 08, 2012 2:43 pm

Awesome job on the weight loss man. I remember seeing you in 2011 at the Houston lunch and then seeing you again in 2012, I had to do a double take because I wasn't sure I was seeing the same person. By next year I may not recongize you at all.
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Re: 35, 5, and 2

Post  Liz R on Tue May 08, 2012 3:53 pm

Wow. I love to hear a story like that. You will have to wear a name tag to Houston so we can find you.

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Post  ounce on Tue May 08, 2012 7:22 pm

It is SO cool to buy smaller clothes. I could probably wear 33 waist Dockers and fit in them correctly in about 10 pounds, but I'm just enjoying pulling up my pants past what was a much bigger gut, without having to worry about popping off the button.

Y'all will be able to recognize me, except for Mark. I'm just deflated from prior years, although Liz has 2 years of loss for which to adjust. Losing weight hasn't made my head grow any hair. I have found that shoes last longer with less weight squeezing the bounce out of the shoes.

Thank y'all for the kind comments.
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Post  Michele "1L" Keane on Wed May 09, 2012 9:14 am

@Liz R wrote:Wow. I love to hear a story like that. You will have to wear a name tag to Houston so we can find you.

Agreed! I won't recognize you if I come back and visit! That is a great story, Doug. As motivation, I run with a guy here that lost 80 lbs when he turned 50 and started running. He still runs sub 4-hr marathons at age 65, and he has kept off the weight the last 15 yrs too. Keep up the fantastic work and please send some subliminal throughts north to my hubby to get him kick started.
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Post  ounce on Wed May 09, 2012 1:57 pm

Thanks, Michele. I'd like to get to a sub-4 marathon time. As far as your husband, do you think he's intimidated or ego-harmed by not taking up running with you?
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Post  Michele "1L" Keane on Wed May 09, 2012 2:11 pm

@ounce wrote:Thanks, Michele. I'd like to get to a sub-4 marathon time. As far as your husband, do you think he's intimidated or ego-harmed by not taking up running with you?

Probably a bit of both and the fact that he has had 6 knee surgeries and a hip replacement! I did get him to run Peachtree twice, and when I was pregnant with my daughter, he lost 15 pounds running/walking with me while I stayed in shape through my pregnancy. We will see if I can get him into something like P90X as he would rather be a gym rat. I'll fix the diet thing too.
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Post  ounce on Wed May 09, 2012 8:48 pm

CrossFit might work for him. I know you didn't go for it, but he might.
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Post  ounce on Mon May 14, 2012 9:55 pm

First run since last Friday. 63 degrees with a dewpoint of 62 degrees. It felt warmer than that, but what are you gonna do?

Friday, I had to start taking some steroids to try to correct a lack of hearing in my right ear for a hopefully short term condition called Sudden Hearing Loss. Since taking steroids is supposed to make you gain weight, I am hoping that I don't. So, I have to take it for two weeks to see how it's going and hopefully I'll be hearing again and about teh same weight. I had gained 3 pounds over the weekend.

This was the motivation for running 9 miles this morning and to resume a low-calorie, low carb diet. 8.81 miles, 1:45:01, 11:54 avg pace, 136 avg bpm, 154 max HR in the 3rd mile (don't know why), 11:58 1st half pace and 11:50 2nd half pace. When I saw the first half was sub-12, I wanted to negative split the 2nd half because I couldn't remember the last time I had a sub-12 9 mile run.


  1. 11:54, 121 bpm
  2. 11:56, 131 bpm
  3. 11:46, 131 bpm
  4. 12:09, 138 bpm
  5. 12:10, 137 bpm
  6. 11:59, 137 bpm
  7. 11;45, 142 bpm
  8. 11:52, 142 bpm
  9. 11:36 pace, 142 bpm

It felt good. Faster than I thought I would run it. A few minutes ago, I looked over some of the posts and I found an 8.8 mile run from just 3 weeks ago, and I show it below.

Wednesday, April 25. This was an almost 9 mile run. It was 67 degrees with a 57 degree dewpoint. Cool air was still around, even though the humidity was steadily coming back. 8.81 miles, 1:44:50, 11:53 pace, same pace in the first and second half, avg HR of 142 and max HR of 160 in the last mile.


  1. 11:50, 130 bpm
  2. 11:25, 139 bpm
  3. 11:52, 139 bpm
  4. 12:08, 142 bpm
  5. 12:14, 141 bpm
  6. 12:08, 144 bpm
  7. 11:59, 147 bpm
  8. 11:52, 148 bpm
  9. 11:28 pace, 153 bpm
    I had to work to get the 2nd half to be 11:53 pace, like the first half.

Gosh, a little warmer and a little drier, and my heart rate was a little higher than today. For me, I find that I am better today, than April 25. Drier air should make for a better run.
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Re: 35, 5, and 2

Post  Michele "1L" Keane on Tue May 15, 2012 1:37 pm

We are most definitely crazy when we start referring to 67F as cool. This morning I told my daughter that I had to go run at 7:15 because it was still "chilly". It was already 70F with lower humidity. Keep up the good work.
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Post  ounce on Wed May 16, 2012 9:17 pm

Tuesday morning., Working on finding the upper hand to maintain and lose weight, while on a 60mg steroid dose. And it's really difficult. Gained a pound yesterday, even though I ran 9 miles and cut down on the calories. I'm talking 1,000 calories. It's really not too difficult to eat 1,000 calories a day and run. But it has to be single digit miles. Even people with single digit fat percentages can be fine on it. It's not what we've been taught as runners and it's not easy to start, but once you get there, it's fine. Doing that was how I lost about 10 pounds recently.

6.7 miles, 1:25:57, 12:50 pace, 127 avg bpm, 148 Max in the last mile, a negative split of some sort. It was a good run.


  1. 12:39, 115 bpm
  2. 12:41, 123 bpm
  3. 13:13, 124 bpm
  4. 13:11, 126 bpm
  5. 12:45, 131 bpm
  6. 12:45, 134 bpm
  7. 12:29 pace, 136 bpm

Wednesday is the last day of the weight competition at work. I was at 180 at the scale at work on Friday, wanting to get down more in order to catch the 1st place team. Steroids screwed the pooch on that one. Last ditch effort was to run 12 on Wednesday morning. And since it was 12, I felt I needed to carb up a bit. Tuesday evening, I cooked 1/2 cup of dry rice and ate it to see how my body would respond to the fresh batch of carbs.
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Re: 35, 5, and 2

Post  Mark B on Wed May 16, 2012 9:29 pm

If you're trying to keep the calories low but run longer, you might want to think about consuming the extras during your runs. If I remember right, your body will grab and convert the sugars immediately and stave off a bonk without the need to load up so much beforehand.

Careful on the balancing, though. It seems like staving off hearing loss might be a higher priority than continued weight loss. If you level out a bit for a few weeks, it's not a disaster. If worse comes to worse, you can start it up once the steroid regimen is over.
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Post  ounce on Wed May 16, 2012 9:38 pm

This morning, I was trying to decide if I wanted to do 12 or 14 or 15. I woke up weighing 185. It was 66 degrees outside at 2:30 a.m. So, not much heat to sweat out when compared to a 75 degree morning. Pace was to be 130 bpm. Nothing magical, your basic long run. I even wore a long sleeve shirt to sweat a little more.

11.75 miles, 2:37:56, 13:26 pace, 131 bpm, 147 max in mile 10. No idea of split & wasn't concerned as I was just wanting to lose some pounds for the weigh in.


  1. 12:58, 121 bpm
  2. 13:01, 123 bpm
  3. 13:14, 126 bpm
  4. 13:29, 130 bpm
  5. 13:33, 130 bpm
  6. 13:43, 129 bpm
  7. 13:29, 133 bpm
  8. 13:31, 133 bpm
  9. 13:25, 134 bpm
  10. 13:28, 137 bpm
  11. 13:41, 136 bpm
  12. 13:51 pace, 136 bpm

Legs did fine. I didn't feel underpowered, my right upper quad had been whining on Monday and Tuesday, but no problem today. Even had a good pace and only on 1 cup of cooked rice. Incidently, I'm not excluding rice or pasta from carbo-loading, but I've adjusted my body to not require carbs. For upper teen long runs, I'll carbo load, just not as much. For a marathon, I'll probably do 3 carb dinners instead of 5. After all, I do weigh 50 pounds less than 2011, when I would eat 5 meals for a marathon.

After the run, I weighed and lost 5 pounds. So for the weigh in, I unloaded all pockets, didn't wear steel-toe shoes and I ended up down 1 pound. I ended up moving from 5th to a tie for 4th. Very disappointing, considering what I could've done on no steroids. Ate a bunch of protein today and had Thai for lunch, with some jasmine. So tired. So tired. 3 days of straight running and 28 miles.

I expect to weigh more for the weekend weigh-in on the boards, here. y'all have a good day tomorrow.
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Post  ounce on Wed May 16, 2012 9:44 pm

@Mark B wrote:If you're trying to keep the calories low but run longer, you might want to think about consuming the extras during your runs. If I remember right, your body will grab and convert the sugars immediately and stave off a bonk without the need to load up so much beforehand.

Careful on the balancing, though. It seems like staving off hearing loss might be a higher priority than continued weight loss. If you level out a bit for a few weeks, it's not a disaster. If worse comes to worse, you can start it up once the steroid regimen is over.

Well, this week is an exception due to the competition at work. Now, I just need to watch what I eat and spread the running back to being over 3 days. I believe the steroids are doing their thing for the hearing and my lower calories are doing their thing for the other parts.

Also, next week, I'm going to kick the mileage back...a taper, if you will, before beginning the training cycle for Odessa, Texas marathon on October 6. If I can maintain 185 during the steroids, even doing it twice (which is a possibility), I will be content. It's 50/50 on the hearing.

And thanks, Mark.
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