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Would doing this Ultra be nuts?

Post  Alex Kubacki on Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:48 am

Eight weeks after trashing myself going for a BQ at Bayshore at the end of May there is a 12HR race I'm considering. It's a night race and they have a 24HR and Marathon as well. I did the Marathon as a training run last year. It's a 3M flat loop around a lake here in MA.

My future plan is to do a 50M either in the fall or next year. I have never done an Ultra or trained for one and as I mentioned it would be only 8 weeks after trashing myself. So would trying to do this be stupid? Now the good thing is it's a time race and only 3M loops so I can stop at any time.

If I did this what would you do over those eight weeks to build up time on feet while recovering? Thanks for any insight.
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Re: Would doing this Ultra be nuts?

Post  Jerry on Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:04 am

It's nuts to do any ultra.
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Re: Would doing this Ultra be nuts?

Post  mul21 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:20 am

@Jerry wrote:It's nuts to do any ultra.

Huh, I agree with Jerry! Whoda thunk it!
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Re: Would doing this Ultra be nuts?

Post  Dave-O on Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:25 am

I think 8 weeks is enough time between Bayshore and the ultra.

I offer no opinion as to the sanity of the event itself. drunken
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Re: Would doing this Ultra be nuts?

Post  Mike MacLellan on Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:30 pm

Agree with Dave. Not sure I'd want my first 50 to be loops. Seems boring to me.
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Re: Would doing this Ultra be nuts?

Post  Kenny B. on Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:32 pm

Nuts! No. Not normal yes! But I think your asking if it "can be done". The answer is I don't know.

Your marathon is in about 4 weeks so you probably are not going to adjust your training as of now since you are going into taper mode. So, what do you need to do during the 8 weeks post marathon to be ready for a 24hour ultra? How many miles do you plan on doing? How many weeks does it take post marathon for you to recover?

Now with the weeks left can you get the body ready? You will have trouble getting in the typical back to back long runs on sat/sun IMO. Assuming you rebuild after 3 weeks even of the marathon you would only have 5 weeks. Lets say you take 3 of those weeks to build up. So what can you do in 3 weeks to make you ready for a 24hour run?

If you can answer these questions you will know. lol
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Re: Would doing this Ultra be nuts?

Post  Schuey on Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:33 pm

I would agree that 8 weeks is plenty of time but not sure if I would want my first ultra to be running in loops either. Then again that is coming from someone who choose to run the JFK 50 as their first ultra event.

Give some examples of the time spacing and running an ultra. I will be running back to back races (but most likely using both races as training runs) this coming weekend both on the Potto trail in Michigan. Saturday 1/2 marathon and then running the 50k the next morning this will be 12 days after running Boston.

Late this summer I will be running the North Country 50 miler August 25th, then running Chicago with trying to PR on Oct 7th. After Chicago I have 6 weeks before I race JFK 50 which I'm hoping to better last years time.

I think the key is going to be how well do your legs recover from Bayshore and then be able to get some training in before the Ultra attempt.

Personal for me I don't think I would want my first Ultra to be on a 3M loop, it is mentally and physically tough enough running 50 miles on a nice point to point course or even a larger loop course of 10 miles or longer. I think that for that first one you might want to look for something that else that just be a little more scenic changing to help with the mental barrier of running an ultra distance. Just my opinion on it that, I do see were there can be some benefits of being on a 3M loop course if you felt like dropping out.


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Re: Would doing this Ultra be nuts?

Post  Jeff F on Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:36 pm

I agree 8 weeks is enough time. I did my first 50 M last June, about 6 weeks after I did 2 marathons within 13 days. I wouldn't do it again, but it is doable.
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Re: Would doing this Ultra be nuts?

Post  Admin on Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:04 pm

DO IT! cheers

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Re: Would doing this Ultra be nuts?

Post  Alex Kubacki on Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:41 am

Thanks everyone. It's not a goal race or anything. It's more of a get my feet wet in the ultra world before I did a 50M. With the lack of ultra training I doubt I'd go the 12-hours. As for the loops the race is an hour and half from my house and didn't want to travel really, so I'm taking what's near me. Thanks again.
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Re: Would doing this Ultra be nuts?

Post  charles.moman on Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:42 am

Do it! The nice thing about timed ultras is you do what you want to do, period.
You can take a nap if you want and then get back in. No pressure.
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Re: Would doing this Ultra be nuts?

Post  Michele "1L" Keane on Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:05 pm

If I wanted to do an Ultra, I think you would be fine 8 wks out as long as you were just approaching it as n experience. Now if it was your goal race, then you would use Bayshore as a training run, but since that is your "race", then run the Ultra for fun.

I've only run one 50K, and it was three 11 mile loops on a relatively easy trail. It was fun, and it was in mid-December about 8 wks after I ran the Detroit marathon.
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Re: Would doing this Ultra be nuts?

Post  Mike MacLellan on Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:20 pm

@Michele "1L" Keane wrote:...about 8 wks after I ran the Detroit marathon.

For those of you wondering, this is the extent of the crowd turn-out at that one:
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Re: Would doing this Ultra be nuts?

Post  Julie on Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:58 pm

I go back and forth between thinking, choose a different ultra and thinking, well if it's going to boost your confidence for a goal 50M later, why not do it? Honestly, if you're careful and don't get injured, can you see yourself saying in 3 months, wow I wish I hadn't run it? So I guess I'm saying if it's interesting enough to you to want to do it and ask about it, then what do you have to lose?
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Re: Would doing this Ultra be nuts?

Post  Michele "1L" Keane on Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:32 pm

@Mike MacLellan wrote:
@Michele "1L" Keane wrote:...about 8 wks after I ran the Detroit marathon.

For those of you wondering, this is the extent of the crowd turn-out at that one:

Me and Frankie in Detroit:




I was a lot younger, but not as lean. See what good thing smart running will do.
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Re: Would doing this Ultra be nuts?

Post  John Kilpatrick on Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:35 pm

I guess I'm sort of the opposite on this Alex. Though I have no ultra experience, it seems like this is sort of a testing the waters sort of thing - for what you want it to be, I think it sounds like the PERFECT race - logistically low stress and you can bail out at any time without being out there on a trail where you feel compelled to do the whole thing and maybe push a little harder than you mean to. The way you have been running lately, heck yes I would do it. Have fun but just keep sight of the big picture. Just my 2 cents....

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