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Jerry too quick?

Post  Jerry on Tue May 15, 2012 11:51 am

I bought a foot pod just for fun and have counted my cadence to verify it works fine.



But if the elites run 180 cadence, my data is worrysome. Very Happy



Note you have to x2 to compare with the golden 180 standard.



SplitTimeAvg HRAvg Run Cadence
110:32.913495
208:46.512296
307:18.3142100
406:26.3158103
506:03.8166105
605:49.5171106
708:25.614595
809:39.213387
9:17.912894
Summary03:19.914397



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Re: Jerry too quick?

Post  Admin on Tue May 15, 2012 11:53 am

You're just stubby.

lol!



Recalibrate the damn foot pod.

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Post  Nick Morris on Tue May 15, 2012 11:54 am

Your short legs have to move faster to keep up...
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Re: Jerry too quick?

Post  Jerry on Tue May 15, 2012 11:55 am

@Mr MattM wrote:You're just stubby.

lol!



Recalibrate the damn foot pod.

No, recalibrate doesn't change the cadence, right?

The pace is from GPS.
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Post  Admin on Tue May 15, 2012 11:59 am

Heck, I don't know... I've never used a foot pod.

However, I wouldn't expect your cadence to change that dramatically between paces.

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Post  Jerry on Tue May 15, 2012 12:04 pm

@Mr MattM wrote:Heck, I don't know... I've never used a foot pod.

However, I wouldn't expect your cadence to change that dramatically between paces.

That's a good testing scenario. I did count my cadence at easy pace, but not at fast ones. I can do that for 3 sub 7 paces tomorrow.
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Post  Jerry on Tue May 15, 2012 12:07 pm

@Jerry wrote:
@Mr MattM wrote:Heck, I don't know... I've never used a foot pod.

However, I wouldn't expect your cadence to change that dramatically between paces.

That's a good testing scenario. I did count my cadence at easy pace, but not at fast ones. I can do that for 3 sub 7 paces tomorrow.

Crap, then why did I buy it? lol!
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Re: Jerry too quick?

Post  Schuey on Tue May 15, 2012 12:23 pm

@Jerry wrote:
@Jerry wrote:
@Mr MattM wrote:Heck, I don't know... I've never used a foot pod.

However, I wouldn't expect your cadence to change that dramatically between paces.

That's a good testing scenario. I did count my cadence at easy pace, but not at fast ones. I can do that for 3 sub 7 paces tomorrow.

Crap, then why did I buy it? lol!

Because you want to waste your hard earn money!

By the way nice cadence mine is normally around 160-170. But to be honest I don't really care of pay attention to it to much, I just run. I don't have time to worry about all this other stuff, one foot in front of the other these days. Now if I was getting paid to do this sport it might be different.
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Re: Jerry too quick?

Post  Mike MacLellan on Tue May 15, 2012 12:28 pm

The differences seem small enough to make sense for me. Since you're short (I'm part of the club, too), it makes sense that you'd compensate for some shortness in stride by having a higher turnover at higher speeds. FWIW, my cycling cadence is around 190-200. Dunno my running.
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Post  Martin VW on Tue May 15, 2012 12:40 pm

@Mike MacLellan wrote:The differences seem small enough to make sense for me. Since you're short (I'm part of the club, too), it makes sense that you'd compensate for some shortness in stride by having a higher turnover at higher speeds. FWIW, my cycling cadence is around 190-200. Dunno my running.

A lot of the elites that the "gold standard" was developed from are short, too. Last time I looked. Smile I fact, my recollection is that the same number came up for men as women.

To me, understriding is likely to be inefficient, just as overstriding is.

Being a tall runner, shortening my stride to get to at least 170 made me faster. Or, to put it more plainly, I could run at a lower leve of effort at the same pace. So I could sustain that pace longer.

I would say the same thing is likely for understriding. You may not be getting all of the available energy out of each stride.

Can you change? I did. I know others that have. Personally, I think biomechanics don't get enough consideration in our quest to get faster. Things like strengthening foot muscles, foot strike, pronation, etc. For good reason, you can screw one thing up trying to fix another, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't look at gait.

Should you change it? Different question. Smile
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Re: Jerry too quick?

Post  Jerry on Tue May 15, 2012 2:36 pm

@Martin VW wrote:
@Mike MacLellan wrote:The differences seem small enough to make sense for me. Since you're short (I'm part of the club, too), it makes sense that you'd compensate for some shortness in stride by having a higher turnover at higher speeds. FWIW, my cycling cadence is around 190-200. Dunno my running.

A lot of the elites that the "gold standard" was developed from are short, too. Last time I looked. Smile I fact, my recollection is that the same number came up for men as women.

To me, understriding is likely to be inefficient, just as overstriding is.

Being a tall runner, shortening my stride to get to at least 170 made me faster. Or, to put it more plainly, I could run at a lower leve of effort at the same pace. So I could sustain that pace longer.

I would say the same thing is likely for understriding. You may not be getting all of the available energy out of each stride.

Can you change? I did. I know others that have. Personally, I think biomechanics don't get enough consideration in our quest to get faster. Things like strengthening foot muscles, foot strike, pronation, etc. For good reason, you can screw one thing up trying to fix another, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't look at gait.

Should you change it? Different question. Smile

Should I change it? I think so.

Can I? I don't know. I am 44 after all.

I've decided to give a try, thus bought the foot pod. Approval

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Re: Jerry too quick?

Post  Jerry on Tue May 15, 2012 2:54 pm

On the other hand, note Boston women's race at the end, the commentator noted the stride length difference of the final two and commented the one with long stride length has track back group, while the other is more of a road runner.
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Re: Jerry too quick?

Post  Gobbles on Wed May 16, 2012 2:18 pm

Jerry
Your turn over is very similar to mine. I range 90~105; most running 92~96.
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Re: Jerry too quick?

Post  Dave-O on Wed May 16, 2012 3:45 pm

A 210 stride rate is really high. I'm not an expert, but I recall that's the type of rate you see during an 800m or mile race. And you were hitting that at your 5k pace.

I would keep tracking it for a few weeks and maybe seek to lengthen your stride a little. As MVW said, not everyone is going to have the same ideal stride rate, but I think you should tinker a bit to see if you're more efficient at 190 or so.
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