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Re: No Longer a Fool

Post  John Kilpatrick on Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:48 am

Hi Dave - just checking out what is happening your way.  Interesting stories from Chris and yourself on hazing - it really ticked me off to hear many people talking about what the wussification of America, he should of took it better, blah blah blah.  It's interesting seeing my my son's wrestling practices - there is all ranges of kids there.  The high school wrestling coach makes the kids wear a stupid-looking hat at the meets if they happen to lose their match.  Not sure the point of shaming them even more when they already are upset for losing...  It should be a great year for Boston and hopefully a great race - good luck!

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Post  Chris M on Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:54 am

Dave-O wrote:Day 14: 6 miles, untimed.  10 miles easy with 8 x 15 hill sprints.  The amount and frequency of snow we've gotten in Chicago is making things more difficult than they should be. I left my watch at home in the morning because a few inches fell overnight and the streets weren't even close to clear yet.  In the afternoon I was scheduled for 4 sets of hill springing and bounding, but I had nowhere to do them with the snow. So I did 8 x 15 second hill sprints at an 8% grade -- which I felt was the closest thing to the drills. 

Day 15: 22 miles, 2:25:08, 6:36 pace.  Today was the first time I felt the mileage start to wear me down.  I was fine through 14 or so, and then really started to fatigue. I didn't have any gels or Nuun, and that was likely a contributing factor. I also probably didn't eat enough yesterday.  I need to remember how much nutrition makes a difference with this type of mileage.  I was quite worn out the rest of the day.  But, I got to bed early and knocked out 10 hours of sleep, which I hope will get me back on track. 

Week: 112
Month: 230
16.875 Miles Per Day average for the 16 days left!

Don't find yourself at 498 miles at 11:50pm on New Year's Eve and now you gotta bust miles 23 and 24 of the day at sub 5:00 just to get under the wire!!   I think its time for a full marathon distance training day, split in 2-3 runs....
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Re: No Longer a Fool

Post  Jerry on Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:11 am

Dave, we have a double marathons in New Year Eve, just fyi in case you need it.  affraid
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Re: No Longer a Fool

Post  Dave-O on Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:27 pm

John Kilpatrick wrote:Hi Dave - just checking out what is happening your way.  Interesting stories from Chris and yourself on hazing - it really ticked me off to hear many people talking about what the wussification of America, he should of took it better, blah blah blah.  It's interesting seeing my my son's wrestling practices - there is all ranges of kids there.  The high school wrestling coach makes the kids wear a stupid-looking hat at the meets if they happen to lose their match.  Not sure the point of shaming them even more when they already are upset for losing...  It should be a great year for Boston and hopefully a great race - good luck!

I don't get the shaming thing either. Does making a kid wear a stupid hat really make them a better wrestler? To learn from what happened during the match leading to the loss? It just doesn't make sense to me.
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Re: No Longer a Fool

Post  Dave-O on Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:31 pm

Chris M wrote:
16.875 Miles Per Day average for the 16 days left!

Don't find yourself at 498 miles at 11:50pm on New Year's Eve and now you gotta bust miles 23 and 24 of the day at sub 5:00 just to get under the wire!!   I think its time for a full marathon distance training day, split in 2-3 runs....

It's all planned out, no worries.

I have 20 mile days planned for today (6 & 14) and tomorrow (4 & 16). I have 24 planned for Friday and I'm taking the day off work to make sure it happens. And I have 26.2 planned for the weekend of the 28/29.

If all goes right I should be at ~470 after December 29th. Then 4 easy runs on the 30th and 31st to hit it. That being said....

Day 16: 8 miles. That's it. I was hurting from the 22 miler and I needed to recharge my batteries. I got a strong functional strength routine in, which eased some lower back and hip soreness. As outlined above, though, the next 4 days will have me right on track.
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Re: No Longer a Fool

Post  Schuey on Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:28 pm

See you Friday buddy! Yes, the video was taken at the 2011 Boston Marathon.

To change topics, I don't get the shaming thing either. I wish back in my days of playing team sports the worst thing that happen to me was wearing a goofy hat, unfortunately that wasn't the case when I played. Either way a kid doesn't learn from making them do or wear things. The learning lesson to become better at one's sport is by a coach teaching the youngster what they did wrong and what they can do better next time. Even with that one may still lose, the lesson should be to improve and give 100%. Win/lose the lesson has been learned.
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Re: No Longer a Fool

Post  Diego on Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:44 pm

Schuey wrote:See you Friday buddy! Yes, the video was taken at the 2011 Boston Marathon.

To change topics, I don't get the shaming thing either. I wish back in my days of playing team sports the worst thing that happen to me was wearing a goofy hat, unfortunately that wasn't the case when I played. Either way a kid doesn't learn from making them do or wear things. The learning lesson to become better at one's sport is by a coach teaching the youngster what they did wrong and what they can do better next time. Even with that one may still lose, the lesson should be to improve and give 100%. Win/lose the lesson has been learned.







Can we shame the refs instead?
This has been the absolutely worst NFL season for officials that I have ever seen(40+ yrs).
Maybe we can make them wear a donkey cap or ear bud-lites?
Oh wait, maybe a "time out" in the stands with the fans!

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Re: No Longer a Fool

Post  Dave-O on Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:14 am

Diego wrote:

Schuey wrote:See you Friday buddy! Yes, the video was taken at the 2011 Boston Marathon.

To change topics, I don't get the shaming thing either. I wish back in my days of playing team sports the worst thing that happen to me was wearing a goofy hat, unfortunately that wasn't the case when I played. Either way a kid doesn't learn from making them do or wear things. The learning lesson to become better at one's sport is by a coach teaching the youngster what they did wrong and what they can do better next time. Even with that one may still lose, the lesson should be to improve and give 100%. Win/lose the lesson has been learned.

Can we shame the refs instead?
This has been the absolutely worst NFL season for officials that I have ever seen(40+ yrs).
Maybe we can make them wear a donkey cap or ear bud-lites?
Oh wait, maybe a "time out" in the stands with the fans!


Yes, the refs have been horrible this year. It baffles me why the NFL doesn't adopt the NFL method of having a central review system.
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Re: No Longer a Fool

Post  Dave-O on Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:18 am

Day 17: 6 easy miles at lunch. After work, 14 miles -- 5 mile warm up, 4 x 4:00 hill repeats at 4%, 4%, 6%, and 6% and 6:35 pace, with equal 4:00 recoveries, about 3.5 mile cool down to hit 14. While I'll never be good at running hills, I felt much better on this workout than the first time around.

Total: 258
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Re: No Longer a Fool

Post  Dave-O on Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:18 am

Day 18: 6 easy miles at lunch. 15 miles with two teammates after work.  Pace was slower than usual on my MLR on account of snowy and slippery conditions.  

Total: 279.
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Re: No Longer a Fool

Post  mul21 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:45 pm

Looks like you're going to have to pick it up a bit here the next 13 days: 15.5 miles/day so far, 221 to go, or 17 miles/day.

Good luck!
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Re: No Longer a Fool

Post  Dave-O on Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:06 pm

mul21 wrote:Looks like you're going to have to pick it up a bit here the next 13 days: 15.5 miles/day so far, 221 to go, or 17 miles/day.

Good luck!

Yes, yes.  BUT....

24 tomorrow, 26 next weekend.  That leaves just 15.5 per day for the other 11 days...
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Re: No Longer a Fool

Post  Michele "1L" Keane on Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:01 pm

You making me tired just reading this.  Don't leave it all out there in December, Dave-O.  April is still 4 months away.
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Post  ounce on Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:50 pm

Michele \"1L" Keane wrote:You making me tired just reading this.  Don't leave it all out there in December, Dave-O.  April is still 4 months away.

He's a pup, Michele.
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Post  Dave-O on Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:02 pm

Michele \"1L" Keane wrote:You making me tired just reading this.  Don't leave it all out there in December, Dave-O.  April is still 4 months away.

Appreciate the concern!  I have a fair amount of experience with 110-120 mile weeks, and I am being careful.
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Re: No Longer a Fool

Post  Dave-O on Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:14 pm

Day 18: 6 easy (7:48) and 15 moderate (7:02).  The pace on the 15 was a touch slower than normal, but the roads and lakefront path are still in awful condition. I think the city has given up trying to plow and salt the path. Awesome.

Day 19: 6 easy (7:13) and 8 easy (7:25). Trying to recover for tomorrow....

Day 20: 20 in 2:17:20 (6:52 pace) on Boston Simulator.  I had 24 scheduled. I made the call to end it at 20. I was pretty beat. I definitely handled the course better than last 20 (and had much less soreness in the following days) but I just didn't have 24 in me.  On one hand, that's 20 miles 3 of the last 4 days.  On the other, I still seem to struggle to make it past 20 in the context of a normal training week.

Day 21: 6 easy (untimed) and 8 easy (7:25).  I really had to cram in these runs today. Perhaps I underestimated social commitments during the holiday season.

Day 22: 5 easy (untimed) and 12 moderate (6:51).  The good news, though, is that I felt as fresh as I have all month by Sunday night.  The 12 miles was a breeze. I don't know what changed from Friday to today, but I felt rejuvenated and ready to attack the last 9 days of this challenge.

Week: 114
Month: 344

So that leaves 156 in 9 days.  I have 126 planned for next week, which would be a new career high, and would put me at 470 with 2 days left.  Time to buckle down!
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Re: No Longer a Fool

Post  JohnP on Fri Dec 27, 2013 12:41 am

You seem to be coming along well with the goal though I suspect it will still come down to the wire and you will make it. What's the follow-up goal after this? You need some sort of break before starting a 12 week program for Boston?
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Re: No Longer a Fool

Post  Jerry on Fri Dec 27, 2013 9:55 am

Day 20: 20 in 2:17:20 (6:52 pace) on Boston Simulator.

Looks like Dave shares Jerry's goal, break 3 hours in Boston? affraid
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Post  Chris M on Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:42 pm

Jerry wrote:Day 20: 20 in 2:17:20 (6:52 pace) on Boston Simulator.

Looks like Dave shares Jerry's goal, break 3 hours in Boston? affraid

Yeah, because Jerry has done so many 20 milers at goal MP?   Based on that logic, Jerry is training to try and break under 4:00 in the marathon with his long run pace...
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Re: No Longer a Fool

Post  Jerry on Fri Dec 27, 2013 2:43 pm

Chris M wrote:
Jerry wrote:Day 20: 20 in 2:17:20 (6:52 pace) on Boston Simulator.

Looks like Dave shares Jerry's goal, break 3 hours in Boston? affraid

Yeah, because Jerry has done so many 20 milers at goal MP?   Based on that logic, Jerry is training to try and break under 4:00 in the marathon with his long run pace...

More like 4:30 ...
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Post  Dave-O on Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:33 pm

JohnP wrote:You seem to be coming along well with the goal though I suspect it will still come down to the wire and you will make it. What's the follow-up goal after this? You need some sort of break before starting a 12 week program for Boston?

The base period will last another few weeks, until the Milwaukee Indoor Marathon on January 26th. I will still be putting in 100 mile weeks - just not 115-120s.  

Jerry wrote:Day 20: 20 in 2:17:20 (6:52 pace) on Boston Simulator.

Looks like Dave shares Jerry's goal, break 3 hours in Boston? affraid

Well, we both have the goal to be under 3 hours.  Question is --- by how much?  Razz
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Post  Dave-O on Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:43 pm

Day 23: 8 easy (7:41) and 14 total (6:20), with 2 mile warm-up; 8 mile progression from 6:40-6:00 pace; hill drills and sprints; 2 miles in 5:42, 5:40; and 1 mile cool-down. What a great day!  22 mile total, and the 14 miler might have been my single best run of the month.  I glided through the moderate aerobic progression, clipping off low-6:00 miles almost effortlessly. The hill drills and sprints created some fatigue, but the 2 miles at MP still weren't difficult.  

Day 24: 6 easy (7:40) and 8 easy (7:16).  These were definitely crammed in due to some last minute errands and having to drive down to my Grandma's.  But I got enough in to stay in pace. 

Day 25: 15 moderate (6:35).  What does it say about me when I was waiting at the door of my gym at 7:59 am, in order to get the 15 miles done in time to be at my in-laws by 11:00 am?  Dedicated, or obsessive?  And for the record, we pulled into the driveway at 11:01.  

Day 26: 8 easy (7:27) and 10 mostly easy (6:45).  Sleep in late, run, eat, nap, run again, eat, sleep.  I could get used to life without a job other than running. 

Total: 413


With 5 days to go.  As long as Saturday's planned 26.2 gets done, I should actually pull this off.
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Post  ounce on Fri Dec 27, 2013 5:07 pm

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Day 25: 15 moderate (6:35).  What does it say about me when I was waiting at the door of my gym at 7:59 am, in order to get the 15 miles done in time to be at my in-laws by 11:00 am?  Dedicated, or obsessive?  And for the record, we pulled into the driveway at 11:01.  


What it says is the person that had to open at 8 drew the short straw.  And your dedicated, not obsessive.
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Re: No Longer a Fool

Post  Diego on Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:42 pm

What an advantage it is to be fast. 2 hours a day and 17 miles later you would be at 527 miles/month....or just 500, if you were a slacker.  Approval
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Post  Michele "1L" Keane on Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:49 pm

Hope you made it.  It was nice to know that we shared a day of good runs as my progression run went very well also.  Of course, I went from 9:15 per mile down to 7:55.  Those 6-7 min days are so long gone, but I can still feel as good at the finish, right?
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