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Post  healdgator on Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:12 pm

Jeneba Tarmoh concedes spot


Updated: July 2, 2012, 1:54 PM ETESPN.com news services

Jeneba Tarmoh will not participate in the runoff vs. Allyson Felix for
the third and final spot on the U.S. team for the 100-meter women's race
at the 2012 London Games, USA Track and Field announced Monday.
The runoff -- a winner-take-all race -- was to be held at Hayward Field in Eugene, Ore.
"We are disappointed that Jeneba has changed her mind regarding her
position on the Olympic Team," USATF president and chairman Stephanie
Hightower said in a statement. "We all worked hard to reach a consensus
on the tiebreaker, but we know that Allyson, Carmelita and Tianna will
represent Team USA well."
Tarmoh informed the USATF of her decision via an email that was
forwarded to U.S. track's governing body by her agent, Kimberly Holland.
"I Jeneba Tarmoh have decided to decline my 3rd place position in the
100m dash to Allyson Felix," Tarmoh wrote in the email. "I understand
that with this decision I am no longer running the 100m dash in the
Olympic Games and will be an alternate for the event. As an alternate I
understand that I will be asked to run if another 100m runner decides
not to for personal reasons, and/or on the 4x100m relay."
Tarmoh only reluctantly agreed to the runoff in the first place. She
felt that she won her spot fair and square on the track eight days ago.
"In my heart of hearts, I just feel like I earned the third spot," she said Sunday. "I almost feel like I was kind of robbed."
Tarmoh leaned across the finish line and looked up to see her name on
the scoreboard in the third spot behind winner Carmelita Jeter and
runner-up Tianna Madison. The 22-year-old even took a celebratory lap
around the track, waving an American flag. She received a medal and
conducted a news conference.
Then she found out about the dead heat. From reporters, no less.
The situation has been a debacle since Felix and Tarmoh crossed the line
in an identical time of 11.068 seconds. USATF had no protocol in place
to resolve such a deadlock and quickly scrambled to adopt a tiebreaking
procedure.
The options were a runoff, coin flip or one athlete conceding the spot to the other.
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Post  healdgator on Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:13 pm

This blows my mind. Sprinters have always been a special breed of wuss, but this takes the cake.

If I'm making the decision, she isn't running the relay. I need somebody I can count on.
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Post  Dave-O on Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:27 pm

Numerous reporters and outlets on Twitter have been saying that Tarmoh refuses to acknowledge it was a dead heat, and the meetings last night involved her challenging the finish photo. Her refusal to participate in the run-off seems consistent with her position that she won and thus should not have to run again.

Translation: There's a lawsuit coming.
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Post  Nick Morris on Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:31 pm

@Dave-O wrote:Numerous reporters and outlets on Twitter have been saying that Tarmoh refuses to acknowledge it was a dead heat, and the meetings last night involved her challenging the finish photo. Her refusal to participate in the run-off seems consistent with her position that she won and thus should not have to run again.

Translation: There's a lawsuit coming.

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Post  Dave-O on Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:32 pm

@Nick Morris wrote:
@Dave-O wrote:Numerous reporters and outlets on Twitter have been saying that Tarmoh refuses to acknowledge it was a dead heat, and the meetings last night involved her challenging the finish photo. Her refusal to participate in the run-off seems consistent with her position that she won and thus should not have to run again.

Translation: There's a lawsuit coming.

Bingo

Her use of the phrase "my 3rd place position" is her official statement is very telling.
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Post  Ben Z on Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:38 pm



She's a wuss.

You tell me you can read this picture other than a dead heat?
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Post  healdgator on Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:41 pm

It's also BS. She's gutless, imo. Relying on a ridiculous belief that it wasn't a dead heat is just further proof of that. She doesn't think she can win, so she is not going to try.

There was no reason for her to acknowledge in writing that she was relinquishing her "3rd place position" and acknowledging that she will not run in the 100m in the Olympics if she intends to take legal action. And she only hurts her position by refusing the runoff.

I don't think she will take legal action to be put on the team, but that's just my guess. I think she just has hurt feelings and she doesn't think she can win, so she refuses to try.
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Post  Dave-O on Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:42 pm

That picture? No.

From what I've read, she is claiming there is another picture that shows she won. I am not privy to her exact argument or what picture she claims shows a decisive winner. So I will withhold my opinion as of now.

I will say though that the "cleanest" result for the USATF is to send Felix in the 200m and Tarmoh in the 100m. With that in mind, I have a hard time believing such a picture exists because it would give the USATF the out they need. Again though, I will wait and see what else we learn.

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Post  healdgator on Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:44 pm

@Dave-O wrote:That picture? No.

From what I've read, she is claiming there is another picture that shows she won. I am not privy to her exact argument or what picture she claims shows a decisive winner. So I will withhold my opinion as of now.

I will say though that the "cleanest" result for the USATF is to send Felix in the 200m and Tarmoh in the 100m. With that in mind, I have a hard time believing such a picture exists because it would give the USATF the out they need. Again though, I will wait and see what else we learn.


The USATF has proven they aren't competent, imo. They should have forced a runoff last monday and put the matter to bed. Instead, they come up with just about the worst "solution" they can find.

I swear to god, you would think 100m is an ironman triathalon from listening to some of these sprinters.
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Post  Dave-O on Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:47 pm

@healdgator wrote:

The USATF has proven they aren't competent, imo. They should have forced a runoff last monday and put the matter to bed. Instead, they come up with just about the worst "solution" they can find.

I swear to god, you would think 100m is an ironman triathalon from listening to some of these sprinters.

And jeopardize their performance in the 200m? Now that would have been a dumb decision.
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Post  healdgator on Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:49 pm

The nine-day drama surrounding Allyson Felix's and Jeneba Tarmoh's 100-meter dash dead heat at the U.S. Olympic Trials has come to a surprisingly early end after Tarmoh withdrew Monday from a scheduled run-off.In a statement issued Monday, U.S. Track and Field confirmed that Tarmoh had sent them an email declining her place in the run-off and conceding the final 100-meter qualification spot to Felix.
“I
Jeneba Tarmoh have decided to decline my 3rd place position in the 100m
dash to Allyson Felix," the email read. "I understand that with this
decision I am no longer running the 100m dash in the Olympic Games and
will be an alternate for the event.
"As an alternate I understand
that I will be asked to run if another 100m runner decides not to for
personal reasons, and/or on the 4x100m relay.”
According to a statement made by Tarmoh's agent to NBC
earlier Monday, her concession from the run-off does not in fact mean
she has abandoned her hopes of running the 100 in London, though it is
unclear how she might still stake her claim.
An appeal to the U.S.
Olympic Committe or even legal action could be forthcoming.
"The situation has been difficult for everyone involved," Felix said in a statement.
"I wanted to earn my spot on this team and not have it conceded to me
so I share in everyone's disappointment that this runoff will not
happen. All I can do now is turn my focus to London.”
The run-off had been scheduled for Monday evening
with the agreement of all involved parties, and would have been
broadcast live by NBC, becoming potentially the the most-talked event in
American track since Beijing. But Sports Illustrated's Tim Layden reported that as of Sunday night,
Jarmoh had changed her mind and had told USATF officials -- who were
asking her to reconsider -- that she would not participate.
Layden
reported that the 22-year-old Tarmoh had been left "exhausted" by the
cloud of uncertainty surrounding the dead heat, and embittered by what
she sees as unfair treatment by the USATF.

"In my heart of hearts, I just feel like I earned the third spot. I almost feel like I was kind of robbed," she told the Associated Press after
Sunday's run-off announcement. "I was pushed into a corner. They said
if you don't make a decision, you give your spot up. I work too hard to
just give my spot up. I had to say it was a runoff."

Tarmoh's high school coach, Steve Nelson, told the San Jose Mercury-News that she feels the USATF has given Felix favorable treatment at the behest of its corporate partners.
"This
is a Nike and NBC Sports deal," Nelson said. "This is Jeneba against
the world. She feels like it's everybody against her."

"We want
the same rules followed now as they have in previous years," Nelson
added, suggesting that Tarmoh's chest crossed the line ahead of Felix's,
despite photographic evidence to the contrary. "Why should rules change
now because Allyson Felix is great?"
Although Felix competed in
the 200-meter dash in both Athens and Beijing and won a gold medal as
part of the U.S. 4x100 relay team in 2008, this would be her first
Olympic qualification in the 100. Tarmoh has never been to the Olympics,
no doubt making the USATF back-and-forth even more difficult to
swallow.
Per Layden, photo finish judge Roger Jennings named
Tarmoh the third-place finisher by .001 seconds immediately following
the June 23 100-meter final, but just as immediately asked USATF officials to review that decision.
While USATF considered (and eventually approved) an overrule of
Jennings' decision, Tarmoh conducted the traditional victory lap and
postrace interviews as the third-place finisher and first-time Olympic
qualifier.
So we don't blame Tarmoh a bit for being unhappy with
that spot -- and that joy -- being snatched away after the fact, and she
has even more reason than most to be angry with USATF's failure to have
a protocol in place ahead of time to deal with the situation.
But
in the end, USATF's hands are tied (pun intended). When even the
now-famous 3,000-frames-per-second finish line photo can't separate the
two, simply declaring one or the other the victor (or defaulting to
Jennings' hasty decision) wouldn't have been any more fair to Felix than
what's happened to Tarmoh was to her.
So why withdraw? Maybe
because it's the only way Tarmoh knew how to protest her treatment, the
only bargaining chip she'd felt she'd been left with in her
"corner"--losing the run-off is undeniably a substantial blow to both
NBC and the USATF, who again are left scrambling after nearly seeing
their week of Trials coverage conclude in the most dramatic (and
TV-friendly) fashion possible.
But the bottom line -- whatever the
merit (or lack of) to Tarmoh's grievances -- is that, barring some
bureaucratic stunner, Tarmoh has willingly given up a dream she has
worked years upon years for without a fight. She has abandoned a place
in one of the Olympics' most glamorous events without even attempting to
win it back. It's a decision we worry she may come to regret sooner
rather than later.

She is getting incredibly bad advice, or her agents/handlers are great at toeing the party line.

Hey, in my heart of hearts I feel like I came in third place in the women's 100m. I wonder if I can get an injunction?
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Post  healdgator on Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:50 pm

@Dave-O wrote:
@healdgator wrote:

The USATF has proven they aren't competent, imo. They should have forced a runoff last monday and put the matter to bed. Instead, they come up with just about the worst "solution" they can find.

I swear to god, you would think 100m is an ironman triathalon from listening to some of these sprinters.

And jeopardize their performance in the 200m? Now that would have been a dumb decision.

Please. They heats didn't start for 3 more days. There would have been no effect whatsoever.
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Post  Dave-O on Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:54 pm

@healdgator wrote:
She is getting incredibly bad advice, or her agents/handlers are great at toeing the party line.

Hey, in my heart of hearts I feel like I came in third place in the women's 100m. I wonder if I can get an injunction?

You have an incredible ability to reach absolute conclusions without having all the facts.
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Post  healdgator on Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:55 pm

Sorry, got my days confused. Runoff should have been last sunday. Day after the 100m finals. Same day as the 400m finals.
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Post  healdgator on Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:56 pm

@Dave-O wrote:
@healdgator wrote:
She is getting incredibly bad advice, or her agents/handlers are great at toeing the party line.

Hey, in my heart of hearts I feel like I came in third place in the women's 100m. I wonder if I can get an injunction?

You have an incredible ability to reach absolute conclusions without having all the facts.

This is a message board, nothing more. I hadn't noticed "having all the facts" being a prerequisite for posting on this, or any other, board.
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Post  Dave-O on Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:58 pm

@healdgator wrote:Sorry, got my days confused. Runoff should have been last sunday. Day after the 100m finals. Same day as the 400m finals.

So what happens if this was a 400m? Still don't need time to recover? What about the 1500, or even the 10k?

You can't just throw these athletes into more races on a whim. They train specifically for the length of time between heats and events. If I was an agent, there's no way I would let my athlete get diverted from the schedule that had been in place for months.
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Post  Michele "1L" Keane on Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:59 pm

I don't get her decision. If she feels that she won, then go prove it - simple as that to me.
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Post  Dave-O on Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:00 pm

@healdgator wrote:
@Dave-O wrote:
@healdgator wrote:
She is getting incredibly bad advice, or her agents/handlers are great at toeing the party line.

Hey, in my heart of hearts I feel like I came in third place in the women's 100m. I wonder if I can get an injunction?

You have an incredible ability to reach absolute conclusions without having all the facts.

This is a message board, nothing more. I hadn't noticed "having all the facts" being a prerequisite for posting on this, or any other, board.

I find it strange when someone is willing to reach an opinion/conclusion without knowing all the facts.

What if, for example, her hamstrings have been bothering her since the 200's, and she's not 100% to run another 100m tonight? Is it still bad advice to refuse to run another unplanned race?

But by all means, have a blast on your jump to conclusions mat.
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Post  Dave-O on Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:01 pm

@Michele "1L" Keane wrote:I don't get her decision. If she feels that she won, then go prove it - simple as that to me.

If there's evidence she won (again, not saying there is, but willing to see), then she shouldn't have to.
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Post  Michele "1L" Keane on Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:04 pm

@Dave-O wrote:
@Michele "1L" Keane wrote:I don't get her decision. If she feels that she won, then go prove it - simple as that to me.

If there's evidence she won (again, not saying there is, but willing to see), then she shouldn't have to.

I will agree with that, but that is still speculation, right? I guess time will tell, but hey, Felix proved her worth for the 200m by blowing them all away -Tarmoh included.
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Post  healdgator on Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:05 pm

@Dave-O wrote:
@healdgator wrote:Sorry, got my days confused. Runoff should have been last sunday. Day after the 100m finals. Same day as the 400m finals.

So what happens if this was a 400m? Still don't need time to recover? What about the 1500, or even the 10k?

You can't just throw these athletes into more races on a whim. They train specifically for the length of time between heats and events. If I was an agent, there's no way I would let my athlete get diverted from the schedule that had been in place for months.

The 400m was on Sunday. Sanya Richards Ross (and probably others) ran in that and the 200m. It's part of the deal. The schedule will be different in the olympics (there is less time between the 100 and 200 there). It could have been shifted b/c of weather. Any number of things could happen. I do not believe the USTF owes the athletes an adherence to the rigidity of their schedules.

I agree that it shouldn't be on a whim. They should have had a plan in place. But they didn't, so they have to do something. In my view, there was more than enough time to hold a runoff without affecting the 200m, but their consideration should not have been whether the 200m was effected or not. The consideration should have been to the most fair means of deciding the event in question.
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Post  healdgator on Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:07 pm

@Dave-O wrote:
@healdgator wrote:
@Dave-O wrote:
@healdgator wrote:
She is getting incredibly bad advice, or her agents/handlers are great at toeing the party line.

Hey, in my heart of hearts I feel like I came in third place in the women's 100m. I wonder if I can get an injunction?

You have an incredible ability to reach absolute conclusions without having all the facts.

This is a message board, nothing more. I hadn't noticed "having all the facts" being a prerequisite for posting on this, or any other, board.

I find it strange when someone is willing to reach an opinion/conclusion without knowing all the facts.

What if, for example, her hamstrings have been bothering her since the 200's, and she's not 100% to run another 100m tonight? Is it still bad advice to refuse to run another unplanned race?

But by all means, have a blast on your jump to conclusions mat.

I will. I'll also be willing to change my mind if new facts come to light. At least you can feel secure in the moral superiority that comes with not weighing it until "all the facts are in".
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Post  healdgator on Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:10 pm

Let's assume for the moment that there is evidence that she actually beat Felix. That evidence hasn't compelled the USTF to come to a different result at this point. Yet she still chooses not to run.

Let's assume that it's b/c she is injured. Knowing the media scrutiny involved, it would be curious that she wouldn't mention the injury in declining to run.

So, giving her the benefit of the doubt in both situations, her decisions make no sense to me.
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Post  Dave-O on Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:19 pm

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I will. I'll also be willing to change my mind if new facts come to light. At least you can feel secure in the moral superiority that comes with not weighing it until "all the facts are in".

I didn't claim any moral superiority. I am just trying to explain why Tarmoh's refusal to abide by the USATF's post hoc "run-off or coin flip" decision makes her neither a quitter nor a wuss, as you called her.
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Post  healdgator on Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:25 pm

@Dave-O wrote:
@healdgator wrote:
I will. I'll also be willing to change my mind if new facts come to light. At least you can feel secure in the moral superiority that comes with not weighing it until "all the facts are in".

I didn't claim any moral superiority. I am just trying to explain why Tarmoh's refusal to abide by the USATF's post hoc "run-off or coin flip" decision makes her neither a quitter nor a wuss, as you called her.

That's cool. We are all just friends talking here. I don't know why I take such offense to her decision (it's her life, doesn't affect me at all), but I do. This is the pinnacle in the sport she has chosen to make her life. When the going got tough, she bailed.

Again, assume that she has evidence that shows she actually won. Let's assume that it's 80% certain she will when an injunction. What if it falls the way of the 20%? She has given up on her chance of making the olympics if that happens. that offends me. Maybe it shouldn't, but it does.

maybe it's b/c I misheard the broadcast last night and thought the runoff was going to be shown during the later coverage last night, thus suffering through about an hour of gymnastics before I figured it out.
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