365Runners
Welcome to 365Runners! We are here because we all share a running addiction. Whether training for a first marathon, a new PR, a new race distance, or anything else... welcome!

To stop the banner ads, please register and login. Otherwise, please enjoy browsing as a guest.

Join the forum, it's quick and easy

365Runners
Welcome to 365Runners! We are here because we all share a running addiction. Whether training for a first marathon, a new PR, a new race distance, or anything else... welcome!

To stop the banner ads, please register and login. Otherwise, please enjoy browsing as a guest.
365Runners
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

Bolt 400m

+8
healdgator
Ben Z
Alex Kubacki
Schuey
Nick Morris
Diego
Jerry
Dave-O
12 posters

Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Bolt 400m

Post  Dave-O Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:14 pm

Interesting debate with some friends of mine (yes, I have real friends):

What could Bolt run in the 400m right now?
Could he hit the Olympic A standard of 45.3? His PR is 45.28

Seeing him run the 200m, its hard to believe he couldn't coast to a 21/24 split, right? Would he really lock up that badly?
Dave-O
Dave-O
Moderator
Moderator

Posts : 1736
Points : 6776
Join date : 2011-06-14
Age : 42
Location : Chicago

http://www.fleetfeetchicago.com/

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  Jerry Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:30 pm

Come on Dave, we all know he is not human, but he is not god either.

He also thinks he can play soccer in ManU. lol!
Jerry
Jerry
Explaining To Spouse
Explaining To Spouse

Posts : 2712
Points : 1006514
Join date : 2011-06-15
Location : Where I'm Loved

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  Diego Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:59 pm

I want him to start working out for the decathlon. He has the body type to do well in the hurdles, shot, discus, javelin, high and long jump. I don't know about the 1500 and pole vault
Diego
Diego
Regular
Regular

Posts : 599
Points : 5443
Join date : 2011-06-17
Age : 60
Location : Maine

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  Nick Morris Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:15 pm

I think you are accurate in assuming that he could run a 45. I could really see it happening.
Nick Morris
Nick Morris
Talking To Myself
Talking To Myself

Posts : 5109
Points : 14249
Join date : 2011-06-16
Age : 43
Location : Madison, WI

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  Schuey Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:54 pm

Diego wrote:I want him to start working out for the decathlon. He has the body type to do well in the hurdles, shot, discus, javelin, high and long jump. I don't know about the 1500 and pole vault

This would be interesting to see but I'm not sold, I guess with some training maybe he could hold up for all 10 events. Again it would be interesting to see what kind of athlete he really is. Yes I think he is an incredible sprinter but it would be interesting to see how mental tough he is.
Schuey
Schuey
Explaining To Spouse
Explaining To Spouse

Posts : 2172
Points : 7783
Join date : 2011-06-15
Age : 52
Location : So Many Roads To Ease My Soul

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  Schuey Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:57 pm

Being a 400m runner in H.S. although that was a lifetime ago I think that with the speed he has he could meet the standard. But in order to do that I still think that he would have to run the 400m smart not to really fade at the end. This is based off him doing it right now off the training that he does for the 100 and 200.
Schuey
Schuey
Explaining To Spouse
Explaining To Spouse

Posts : 2172
Points : 7783
Join date : 2011-06-15
Age : 52
Location : So Many Roads To Ease My Soul

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  Alex Kubacki Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:24 am

He could probably go close to sub-45 right now. He only runs the 400m when he's doing base work early so his PR is light. The thing about him is that Bolt hates training and he doesn't like pain. If he trained he could break the record and go sub-43.
Alex Kubacki
Alex Kubacki
Explaining To Spouse
Explaining To Spouse

Posts : 1252
Points : 6285
Join date : 2011-06-23

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  Ben Z Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:42 pm

Alex Kubacki wrote:He could probably go close to sub-45 right now. He only runs the 400m when he's doing base work early so his PR is light. The thing about him is that Bolt hates training and he doesn't like pain. If he trained he could break the record and go sub-43.

What evidence is there that he 'hates training and doesn't like pain'? "If he trained..."??

Sure, he goes out and parties every now and then but what 20-something year-old doesn't? I have to believe he trains REALLY hard. Really, really hard in fact. Yes, he is a natural talent to a certain degree but so are all the guys he is competing against. Only with hard work is he able to stay on top.
Ben Z
Ben Z
Regular
Regular

Posts : 698
Points : 5712
Join date : 2011-06-15
Location : Bay Area

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  healdgator Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:35 pm

Right now? He would struggle to break 45, but he could probably do it.

With any kind of focused training he would win, imo. Watching him coast to 20.3 with no real effort in the prelims, I think 44.0 would be about the worst case scenario.
healdgator
healdgator
Regular
Regular

Posts : 586
Points : 5363
Join date : 2011-06-23
Age : 50
Location : Orlando

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  Michele "1L" Keane Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:55 pm

Just remember that not all "sprinters" are great longer distance runners, and yes, a 400 m can count as a longer distance. Back in the day, I actually beat FloJo in a 5k, and she was racing.

I do think Bolt could race at the 400m distance, but maybe not after that if he is true speed.
Michele
Michele "1L" Keane
Needs A Life
Needs A Life

Posts : 5030
Points : 14201
Join date : 2011-06-15
Age : 62
Location : Atlanta, GA

http://1lranthere.blogspot.com

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  Chris M Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:07 pm

After watching him coast at low 20s for the heats and then effortlessly win the 200 again, I think he could have been a medal contender in the 400 RIGHT NOW and that if he wants to win the 2013 world championship in the 4, all he has to do is say "its on" for it and its his easily. I think Bolt is potentially even better in the 400 than the 100 because the 100 will always been more dependent on his less-than-stellar starts. Bolt is all kinds of awesome. I didn't even care that US runners were in his events....I rooted for him to win everything. Love that guy.
Chris M
Chris M
Explaining To Spouse
Explaining To Spouse

Posts : 1061
Points : 6041
Join date : 2011-06-14
Age : 55
Location : Washington, DC

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  healdgator Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:56 pm

Chris M wrote:After watching him coast at low 20s for the heats and then effortlessly win the 200 again, I think he could have been a medal contender in the 400 RIGHT NOW and that if he wants to win the 2013 world championship in the 4, all he has to do is say "its on" for it and its his easily. I think Bolt is potentially even better in the 400 than the 100 because the 100 will always been more dependent on his less-than-stellar starts. Bolt is all kinds of awesome. I didn't even care that US runners were in his events....I rooted for him to win everything. Love that guy.

Same for me. I was rooting for a Bolt-US-US finish.
healdgator
healdgator
Regular
Regular

Posts : 586
Points : 5363
Join date : 2011-06-23
Age : 50
Location : Orlando

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  Dave-O Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:57 pm

Someone also pointed out to me that he ran a sub-31 300m in 2010. So yeah, I think he could crush the 400 if he wanted to, though I suspect he'd have to abandon the 100.
Dave-O
Dave-O
Moderator
Moderator

Posts : 1736
Points : 6776
Join date : 2011-06-14
Age : 42
Location : Chicago

http://www.fleetfeetchicago.com/

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  Diego Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:17 pm

Dave-O wrote:Someone also pointed out to me that he ran a sub-31 300m in 2010. So yeah, I think he could crush the 400 if he wanted to, though I suspect he'd have to abandon the 100.

I think he broke 32 seconds just coasting and celebrating after the 19 second 200. Sub 44 would be a reasonable expectation. If he maintained 80% of his 200 meter speed, which shouldn't be too difficult, that sets up close to 43 seconds.

I think he would have a shot at the world record--seriously. He slows down less than any runner in history.
Diego
Diego
Regular
Regular

Posts : 599
Points : 5443
Join date : 2011-06-17
Age : 60
Location : Maine

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  ssilvert Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:56 pm

Bolt said that he and his coach would evaluate his options and set new goals for Rio. I think Bolt wants to be considered the greatest athlete who ever lived. To do so, the natural goal would be to enter more events in 2016.

But he will only enter events he knows he can win. That eliminates the decathlon and any other events that involve jumping. Let's face it, he might be a super-star, but he has a very earth-bound body type. So his events for Rio will be the 100, 4 x 100, 200, 400, and 4 x 400. Then he retires undefeated in three Olympic games with 11 gold medals. (The only blemish being his 2004 Athens performance when he was still 17.)

He will need to find out if he can train for a super-fast 400 and still blow everyone away in the 100. I think that is exactly what he meant when he talked about evaluating his options with his coach.

I think he might be getting to the point in his life and career where he doesn't just want to party all the time. So the question in 2016 will be, "How good can Bolt become if he gets serious?"

Stan
ssilvert
ssilvert
Poster
Poster

Posts : 173
Points : 4838
Join date : 2011-08-12
Age : 56
Location : Atlanta

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  Matt W Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:14 pm

Ben Z wrote:
Alex Kubacki wrote:He could probably go close to sub-45 right now. He only runs the 400m when he's doing base work early so his PR is light. The thing about him is that Bolt hates training and he doesn't like pain. If he trained he could break the record and go sub-43.

What evidence is there that he 'hates training and doesn't like pain'? "If he trained..."??

Sure, he goes out and parties every now and then but what 20-something year-old doesn't? I have to believe he trains REALLY hard. Really, really hard in fact. Yes, he is a natural talent to a certain degree but so are all the guys he is competing against. Only with hard work is he able to stay on top.

Well, Bolt did say something to the effect of he didn't want to run the 400 because he "likes his lunch." That being said, I think he's a sub 44 guy if he wants to be.

I've heard him express interest in trying the LJ, which might be a good event for him. I can't see him really trying the decathlon (but it's one of those fun what if conversations that you can have with all great athletes). There are too many events that would require learning and fine tuning technique and it would be pretty unprecedented to pick them up at this stage of his career. I'm not sure what the future hold for Bolt as Blake enters his prime and Bolt hits his twilight. Bolt did say that after London would be Blake's time. I can see Blake being the better sprinter in 4 years, but I certainly don't count out Bolt from anything.
Matt W
Matt W
Poster
Poster

Posts : 381
Points : 5099
Join date : 2011-06-15
Age : 47
Location : Las Vegas

http://www.redrockrunningcompany.com/

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  healdgator Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:15 am

Keep in mind, the LJ competition is incredibly weak at the moment. It seems as bad as I can remember. That doesn't mean he would be any good at it, but he's not competing against Mike Powell or Carl Lewis.
healdgator
healdgator
Regular
Regular

Posts : 586
Points : 5363
Join date : 2011-06-23
Age : 50
Location : Orlando

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  ssilvert Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:43 am

healdgator wrote:Keep in mind, the LJ competition is incredibly weak at the moment. It seems as bad as I can remember. That doesn't mean he would be any good at it, but he's not competing against Mike Powell or Carl Lewis.

Not just "wouldn't be any good." He would be terrible as a long jumper. Even the great Usain Bolt can't overcome the laws of physics. Bolt is built to run, but not to fly.

Stan
ssilvert
ssilvert
Poster
Poster

Posts : 173
Points : 4838
Join date : 2011-08-12
Age : 56
Location : Atlanta

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  Ben Z Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:39 pm

ssilvert wrote:
healdgator wrote:Keep in mind, the LJ competition is incredibly weak at the moment. It seems as bad as I can remember. That doesn't mean he would be any good at it, but he's not competing against Mike Powell or Carl Lewis.

Not just "wouldn't be any good." He would be terrible as a long jumper. Even the great Usain Bolt can't overcome the laws of physics. Bolt is built to run, but not to fly.

Stan

Looks like Bolt is out to prove you wrong:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/london-olympics/usain-bolt-hints-he-may-try-his-hand-at-long-jump/story-fn9dheyx-1226448021298
Ben Z
Ben Z
Regular
Regular

Posts : 698
Points : 5712
Join date : 2011-06-15
Location : Bay Area

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  Ben Z Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:40 pm

ssilvert wrote:
healdgator wrote:Keep in mind, the LJ competition is incredibly weak at the moment. It seems as bad as I can remember. That doesn't mean he would be any good at it, but he's not competing against Mike Powell or Carl Lewis.

Not just "wouldn't be any good." He would be terrible as a long jumper. Even the great Usain Bolt can't overcome the laws of physics. Bolt is built to run, but not to fly.

Stan

Carl Lewis did pretty good at both.
Ben Z
Ben Z
Regular
Regular

Posts : 698
Points : 5712
Join date : 2011-06-15
Location : Bay Area

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  ssilvert Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:17 pm

Ben Z wrote:
ssilvert wrote:
healdgator wrote:Keep in mind, the LJ competition is incredibly weak at the moment. It seems as bad as I can remember. That doesn't mean he would be any good at it, but he's not competing against Mike Powell or Carl Lewis.

Not just "wouldn't be any good." He would be terrible as a long jumper. Even the great Usain Bolt can't overcome the laws of physics. Bolt is built to run, but not to fly.

Stan

Looks like Bolt is out to prove you wrong:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/london-olympics/usain-bolt-hints-he-may-try-his-hand-at-long-jump/story-fn9dheyx-1226448021298
I hope he does. That would be fun to watch. No matter what he says now, I still think the 400 is the natural place for him to go.

Stan
ssilvert
ssilvert
Poster
Poster

Posts : 173
Points : 4838
Join date : 2011-08-12
Age : 56
Location : Atlanta

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  ssilvert Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:19 pm

Ben Z wrote:
ssilvert wrote:
healdgator wrote:Keep in mind, the LJ competition is incredibly weak at the moment. It seems as bad as I can remember. That doesn't mean he would be any good at it, but he's not competing against Mike Powell or Carl Lewis.

Not just "wouldn't be any good." He would be terrible as a long jumper. Even the great Usain Bolt can't overcome the laws of physics. Bolt is built to run, but not to fly.

Stan

Carl Lewis did pretty good at both.
Yea, but Lewis had a very different body type. Maybe I'm wrong, but Bolt just doesn't look like a jumper, even horizontally. It takes some time to get that big body moving. The long jump approach (40 to 45 meters) just isn't long enough.

Stan
ssilvert
ssilvert
Poster
Poster

Posts : 173
Points : 4838
Join date : 2011-08-12
Age : 56
Location : Atlanta

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  Alex Kubacki Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:33 am

Ben Z wrote:
What evidence is there that he 'hates training and doesn't like pain'? "If he trained..."??

Sure, he goes out and parties every now and then but what 20-something year-old doesn't? I have to believe he trains REALLY hard. Really, really hard in fact. Yes, he is a natural talent to a certain degree but so are all the guys he is competing against. Only with hard work is he able to stay on top.

The evidence is that he's said it multiple times as well as his coach.
Alex Kubacki
Alex Kubacki
Explaining To Spouse
Explaining To Spouse

Posts : 1252
Points : 6285
Join date : 2011-06-23

Back to top Go down

Bolt 400m Empty Re: Bolt 400m

Post  Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum