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Post  mul21 on Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:07 pm

They are the suck. That is all.

Feel free to discuss......
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Re: 20 milers

Post  Mike MacLellan on Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:39 pm

Start running 25-28s weekly and 20s will feel better. Checkmate.
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Re: 20 milers

Post  mul21 on Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:46 pm

That would mean I would have to run 25-28 miles. Just no. I fall apart physically with too many 20s, I can't imagine what would happen if I tried to go 25 or more!
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Re: 20 milers

Post  Mike MacLellan on Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:52 pm

It sucks. See my old blog.

In all seriousness though; yes, 20 milers suck. Much more than their 18-19 mile counterparts.
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Re: 20 milers

Post  EugeneGreenie on Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:14 pm

I dont know, call me crazy, but I kinda like 'em. If you have good company for at least parts, and the scenery is nice, they can be a pleasant way to spend a morning....

E Greenie<---but then, I did used to ride 100 miles on horseback...
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Re: 20 milers

Post  Michele "1L" Keane on Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:23 pm

And the debate is whether or not they are necessary????? I'm going to ask Dr. Leo next time I see him since he is a 2:18 marathoner. I, for one, don't think I really need them anymore since it isn't a mental thing, but I still do 1 or 2 a cycle.
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Re: 20 milers

Post  JohnP on Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:39 pm

20 miles easy is not too bad but most advanced plans keep calling for progression runs, fast finish long runs, etc., which make the 20 milers not so much fun anymore.
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Re: 20 milers

Post  Alex Kubacki on Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:31 pm

I think if you have years of distance running under your belt a bunch of 20's may not be as important. But if you don't they may be beneficial towards the continued building of the aerobic base which takes years to fully develop. Just my non-experienced opinion.
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Re: 20 milers

Post  Mike MacLellan on Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:30 pm

I'd take a progression or FF 20 over a normal 20 any day. The monotony is what kills me.
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Post  JohnP on Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:38 pm

@Mike MacLellan wrote:I'd take a progression or FF 20 over a normal 20 any day. The monotony is what kills me.

Mike, the progressions are what kill me Smile although maybe I am doing the progressions too hard.
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Re: 20 milers

Post  mountandog on Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:05 pm

well, Joanie told me that you only need to do 17 max. Haven't followed her advice yet, but she otta know.
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Re: 20 milers

Post  Nick Morris on Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:45 pm

So far this training cycle I have done three and they have all been pretty easy. I actually had a worse time with my first 18 miler of the training cycle. I don't really mind them and as I run more within the cycle I try to end them faster. Like a 3/1 long run...
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Re: 20 milers

Post  Jerry on Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:02 pm

Jerry definitely needs it. Running
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Re: 20 milers

Post  Schuey on Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:37 am

I love run 20 milers , sure they are tough but such a great way to strengthen the mind.

As for the argument of 20 milers vs less ( 17 or 18 miles) I think it is all relative to what one's over all plan is a what you are doing with your plan.
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Re: 20 milers

Post  mul21 on Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:55 pm

Of course, after posting this, I'm the least sore/fatigued/beat up I can ever remember being the day after a 20. Maybe I need to make posts like this more often!
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Re: 20 milers

Post  Nick Morris on Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:54 pm

@mul21 wrote:Of course, after posting this, I'm the least sore/fatigued/beat up I can ever remember being the day after a 20. Maybe I need to make posts like this more often!

Nice!! +1
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Re: 20 milers

Post  T Miller on Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:23 am

If you run them with a group then it seems to make them much easier. Part of that is probably because it forces you to run them a bit slower than you would otherwise. Unless you run with a fast group I guess.

I love the feeling of being in shape to handle the 20 mile progression runs and fast finish long runs.

Also, if you run enough of them then you kind of get a mental advantage over them and they become old hat.
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Re: 20 milers

Post  Admin on Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:16 am

The higher your average weekly miles, the less important those 20 milers become... from a training response perpective, there's not much difference between 16 and 20... or from a time-based standpoint there's not much difference between a 3hr run and 3hr 30min run. Past a certain point there are diminishing returns on effort.

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Re: 20 milers

Post  Dave-O on Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:01 am

Last night I did my 10th in 10 weeks. I'll just say that I won't miss them.
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Re: 20 milers

Post  fostever on Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:10 am

My last one (20 mi) went well as I stayed within my long run pace and was able to run an easy 8 miler the next morning. The only niggle was some slight knee aches on the last couple miles. Last winter I followed the Hanson bros. plan which only goes 16 tops. However, you have many back to back 10 milers and quite a few 10 mi pace runs and some great repeat workouts so the plan is not easy by any stretch of the imagination. So I agree with Matt and others that 20+ is no magical number but everyone needs to find what works well for them. Some folks respond very well to the long slow stuff. I have found that gradually even at my ripe mid age I've adapted so the 20's don't hurt as bad and recovery is faster as I've progressed. Of course, some of that is learning how to recovery wisely and back off when necessary.
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Re: 20 milers

Post  fostever on Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:14 am

@Mike MacLellan wrote:I'd take a progression or FF 20 over a normal 20 any day. The monotony is what kills me.
need to find a group or a partner to chat up with, you'd be surprised how much less monotonous it can be.
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Re: 20 milers

Post  Michele "1L" Keane on Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:21 am

@fostever wrote:
@Mike MacLellan wrote:I'd take a progression or FF 20 over a normal 20 any day. The monotony is what kills me.
need to find a group or a partner to chat up with, you'd be surprised how much less monotonous it can be.

I'll second that. Even though 10 miles felt like 30 this past Saturday, I never would have finished if I had been running alone instead of chatting it up with the group.
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Re: 20 milers

Post  Alex Kubacki on Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:33 am

I used to get anxious the day before I was going to run one. But now that I've run a lot these past two cycles I look forward to them.

As Schuey mentioned also is that I look at it as mental strengthening as well. I run solo so the grind near the end of one I bottle up and use that come race day.
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Re: 20 milers

Post  Nick Morris on Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:22 pm

@Dave-O wrote:Last night I did my 10th in 10 weeks. I'll just say that I won't miss them.

I still have two more to go...
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Re: 20 milers

Post  Kenny B. on Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:46 am

I enjoy being outside for the long haul. Find it therapeutic mentally probably more than physically. However, when they are coupled with fast finishes there is nothing fun about them.
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