20 milers
+11
T Miller
Schuey
Jerry
Nick Morris
mountandog
Alex Kubacki
JohnP
Michele "1L" Keane
EugeneGreenie
Mike MacLellan
mul21
15 posters
Page 1 of 1
20 milers
They are the suck. That is all.
Feel free to discuss......
Feel free to discuss......
mul21- Explaining To Spouse
- Posts : 1481
Points : 6922
Join date : 2011-06-15
Age : 47
Location : St. Louis
Re: 20 milers
That would mean I would have to run 25-28 miles. Just no. I fall apart physically with too many 20s, I can't imagine what would happen if I tried to go 25 or more!
mul21- Explaining To Spouse
- Posts : 1481
Points : 6922
Join date : 2011-06-15
Age : 47
Location : St. Louis
Re: 20 milers
It sucks. See my old blog.
In all seriousness though; yes, 20 milers suck. Much more than their 18-19 mile counterparts.
In all seriousness though; yes, 20 milers suck. Much more than their 18-19 mile counterparts.
Re: 20 milers
I dont know, call me crazy, but I kinda like 'em. If you have good company for at least parts, and the scenery is nice, they can be a pleasant way to spend a morning....
E Greenie<---but then, I did used to ride 100 miles on horseback...
E Greenie<---but then, I did used to ride 100 miles on horseback...
Re: 20 milers
And the debate is whether or not they are necessary????? I'm going to ask Dr. Leo next time I see him since he is a 2:18 marathoner. I, for one, don't think I really need them anymore since it isn't a mental thing, but I still do 1 or 2 a cycle.
Re: 20 milers
20 miles easy is not too bad but most advanced plans keep calling for progression runs, fast finish long runs, etc., which make the 20 milers not so much fun anymore.
JohnP- Explaining To Spouse
- Posts : 1226
Points : 6556
Join date : 2011-06-15
Re: 20 milers
I think if you have years of distance running under your belt a bunch of 20's may not be as important. But if you don't they may be beneficial towards the continued building of the aerobic base which takes years to fully develop. Just my non-experienced opinion.
Alex Kubacki- Explaining To Spouse
- Posts : 1252
Points : 6286
Join date : 2011-06-23
Re: 20 milers
I'd take a progression or FF 20 over a normal 20 any day. The monotony is what kills me.
Re: 20 milers
Mike MacLellan wrote:I'd take a progression or FF 20 over a normal 20 any day. The monotony is what kills me.
Mike, the progressions are what kill me although maybe I am doing the progressions too hard.
JohnP- Explaining To Spouse
- Posts : 1226
Points : 6556
Join date : 2011-06-15
Re: 20 milers
well, Joanie told me that you only need to do 17 max. Haven't followed her advice yet, but she otta know.
mountandog- Explaining To Spouse
- Posts : 1398
Points : 7877
Join date : 2011-07-14
Age : 67
Location : Michigan
Re: 20 milers
So far this training cycle I have done three and they have all been pretty easy. I actually had a worse time with my first 18 miler of the training cycle. I don't really mind them and as I run more within the cycle I try to end them faster. Like a 3/1 long run...
Nick Morris- Talking To Myself
- Posts : 5109
Points : 14250
Join date : 2011-06-16
Age : 43
Location : Madison, WI
Re: 20 milers
Jerry definitely needs it.
Jerry- Explaining To Spouse
- Posts : 2712
Points : 1006515
Join date : 2011-06-15
Location : Where I'm Loved
Re: 20 milers
I love run 20 milers , sure they are tough but such a great way to strengthen the mind.
As for the argument of 20 milers vs less ( 17 or 18 miles) I think it is all relative to what one's over all plan is a what you are doing with your plan.
As for the argument of 20 milers vs less ( 17 or 18 miles) I think it is all relative to what one's over all plan is a what you are doing with your plan.
Schuey- Explaining To Spouse
- Posts : 2172
Points : 7784
Join date : 2011-06-15
Age : 52
Location : So Many Roads To Ease My Soul
Re: 20 milers
Of course, after posting this, I'm the least sore/fatigued/beat up I can ever remember being the day after a 20. Maybe I need to make posts like this more often!
mul21- Explaining To Spouse
- Posts : 1481
Points : 6922
Join date : 2011-06-15
Age : 47
Location : St. Louis
Re: 20 milers
mul21 wrote:Of course, after posting this, I'm the least sore/fatigued/beat up I can ever remember being the day after a 20. Maybe I need to make posts like this more often!
Nice!! +1
Nick Morris- Talking To Myself
- Posts : 5109
Points : 14250
Join date : 2011-06-16
Age : 43
Location : Madison, WI
Re: 20 milers
If you run them with a group then it seems to make them much easier. Part of that is probably because it forces you to run them a bit slower than you would otherwise. Unless you run with a fast group I guess.
I love the feeling of being in shape to handle the 20 mile progression runs and fast finish long runs.
Also, if you run enough of them then you kind of get a mental advantage over them and they become old hat.
I love the feeling of being in shape to handle the 20 mile progression runs and fast finish long runs.
Also, if you run enough of them then you kind of get a mental advantage over them and they become old hat.
T Miller- Regular
- Posts : 782
Points : 5826
Join date : 2011-06-15
Age : 59
Location : Bloomington
Re: 20 milers
The higher your average weekly miles, the less important those 20 milers become... from a training response perpective, there's not much difference between 16 and 20... or from a time-based standpoint there's not much difference between a 3hr run and 3hr 30min run. Past a certain point there are diminishing returns on effort.
Admin- Admin
- Posts : 889
Points : 6153
Join date : 2011-06-14
Re: 20 milers
My last one (20 mi) went well as I stayed within my long run pace and was able to run an easy 8 miler the next morning. The only niggle was some slight knee aches on the last couple miles. Last winter I followed the Hanson bros. plan which only goes 16 tops. However, you have many back to back 10 milers and quite a few 10 mi pace runs and some great repeat workouts so the plan is not easy by any stretch of the imagination. So I agree with Matt and others that 20+ is no magical number but everyone needs to find what works well for them. Some folks respond very well to the long slow stuff. I have found that gradually even at my ripe mid age I've adapted so the 20's don't hurt as bad and recovery is faster as I've progressed. Of course, some of that is learning how to recovery wisely and back off when necessary.
fostever- Explaining To Spouse
- Posts : 1572
Points : 8774
Join date : 2011-06-16
Age : 65
Location : Chicago
Re: 20 milers
need to find a group or a partner to chat up with, you'd be surprised how much less monotonous it can be.Mike MacLellan wrote:I'd take a progression or FF 20 over a normal 20 any day. The monotony is what kills me.
fostever- Explaining To Spouse
- Posts : 1572
Points : 8774
Join date : 2011-06-16
Age : 65
Location : Chicago
Re: 20 milers
fostever wrote:need to find a group or a partner to chat up with, you'd be surprised how much less monotonous it can be.Mike MacLellan wrote:I'd take a progression or FF 20 over a normal 20 any day. The monotony is what kills me.
I'll second that. Even though 10 miles felt like 30 this past Saturday, I never would have finished if I had been running alone instead of chatting it up with the group.
Re: 20 milers
I used to get anxious the day before I was going to run one. But now that I've run a lot these past two cycles I look forward to them.
As Schuey mentioned also is that I look at it as mental strengthening as well. I run solo so the grind near the end of one I bottle up and use that come race day.
As Schuey mentioned also is that I look at it as mental strengthening as well. I run solo so the grind near the end of one I bottle up and use that come race day.
Alex Kubacki- Explaining To Spouse
- Posts : 1252
Points : 6286
Join date : 2011-06-23
Re: 20 milers
Dave-O wrote:Last night I did my 10th in 10 weeks. I'll just say that I won't miss them.
I still have two more to go...
Nick Morris- Talking To Myself
- Posts : 5109
Points : 14250
Join date : 2011-06-16
Age : 43
Location : Madison, WI
Re: 20 milers
I enjoy being outside for the long haul. Find it therapeutic mentally probably more than physically. However, when they are coupled with fast finishes there is nothing fun about them.
Page 1 of 1
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
|
|