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Post  Mark B Wed May 25, 2016 4:42 pm

Oh, hey! It looks like the system decided to split off a new blog. This bumblebee is taking a long time to build.

Either that, or I can't come up with a better title...

Anyway, you can check out how this whole blog began here...

... and read the second chunk of it here.

Not that I'd expect you to. But the first section does include the Fluffpacolypse, and that's pretty entertaining.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program. Now in its third chapter!



ounce wrote:We have elevation changes like that graph, except the Y axis labels are 50, 52, 54, and 56.

Bigger than I expected. I'd figured the profile would look like this: ____________.____________

(The period is a dead armadillo.)

Very Happy


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Post  Mark B Wed May 25, 2016 4:43 pm

Walk: 2.6 miles

Weather: Overcast, mild. 62°

Working out the kinks from this morning's run with a nice recovery walk.

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Post  ounce Wed May 25, 2016 10:28 pm

Mark B wrote:
ounce wrote:We have elevation changes like that graph, except the Y axis labels are 50, 52, 54, and 56.

Bigger than I expected. I'd figured the profile would look like this: ____________.____________

(The period is a dead armadillo.)

Very Happy
Or a possum.  Chicago is flatter than Houston.
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Post  Mark B Wed May 25, 2016 10:46 pm

ounce wrote:
Mark B wrote:
ounce wrote:We have elevation changes like that graph, except the Y axis labels are 50, 52, 54, and 56.

Bigger than I expected. I'd figured the profile would look like this: ____________.____________

(The period is a dead armadillo.)

Very Happy
Or a possum.  Chicago is flatter than Houston.

Oh, of course. Fewer armadillos.

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Post  Mark B Thu May 26, 2016 3:08 pm

Low HR Run: 6.17 miles

Weather: Overcast, mild. 57-60° Gear: Testers, shorts, T. Fluids: Nada

Out on my country route, and happy to note that my lower HR levels don't appear to be a fluke. Just before I started, my heart rate dropped to 47 in my traditional stand-and-relax before the run. My HR stayed low in the first warm-up mille, and I was able to keep it under control and hit my first mile fully running right at my target HR and a tiny bit faster than before... and the HR didn't creep up as much and I didn't have to slow as much in the next couple of miles. It was starting to creep up more toward the end, but that'll get better as I keep at it.

For comparison purposes, here is the Garmin data from when I ran this same distance back in October:

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And this was today.

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You'll note that the heart rates were generally a few bpm lower in October, but this was close to if not *the* first run when I bagged my months-long super-low HR target and started letting my HR go a bit higher. Generally the paces are better and the fall-offs not quite so drastic this time.

Walked first 5, last 8 minutes (took a detour around the block). Average HR for entire run: 132.

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Post  nkrichards Thu May 26, 2016 9:49 pm

Mark B wrote:Hills: 3 x hill repeats, 5.08 miles total

Weather: Overcast, mild. 56° Gear: Testers, shorts, T.

Trying something different this morning: Hill repeats! I headed out to the biggest nearby hill (gains about 140 feet in .33 mies) and did three repeats. I worked up the hill steadily, keeping the HR as low as I could manage while still running, then eased back down the hill for the first two repeats and started again. On the third downhill, I let gravity take over and got up to a sub-7 pace. That took some concentration!

Finished the run off with a easy pace back to the house (with a few more smaller climbs).

Not easy, but not ridiculously difficult, either.

Makes for a run elevation chart, though.

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Walked first and last 5 minutes. Average HR for entire run: 134. Max: 158

Mark B wrote:Low HR Run: 6.17 miles

Weather: Overcast, mild. 57-60° Gear: Testers, shorts, T. Fluids: Nada

Out on my country route, and happy to note that my lower HR levels don't appear to be a fluke. Just before I started, my heart rate dropped to 47 in my traditional stand-and-relax before the run. My HR stayed low in the first warm-up mille, and I was able to keep it under control and hit my first mile fully running right at my target HR and a tiny bit faster than before... and the HR didn't creep up as much and I didn't have to slow as much in the next couple of miles. It was starting to creep up more toward the end, but that'll get better as I keep at it.

For comparison purposes, here is the Garmin data from when I ran this same distance back in October:

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And this was today.

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You'll note that the heart rates were generally a few bpm lower in October, but this was close to if not *the* first run when I bagged my months-long super-low HR target and started letting my HR go a bit higher. Generally the paces are better and the fall-offs not quite so drastic this time.  

Walked first 5, last 8 minutes (took a detour around the block). Average HR for entire run: 132.

Those hill repeats look daunting.  And your run today looks encouraging!

Glad to see you making progress that you can feel and document.

Enjoy the next few days of running weather...we're forecast to get hot by the end of next week.
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Post  Mark B Fri May 27, 2016 1:11 am

nkrichards wrote:Those hill repeats look daunting.  And your run today looks encouraging!

Glad to see you making progress that you can feel and document.

Enjoy the next few days of running weather...we're forecast to get hot by the end of next week.

Definitely encouraging! I've had a lots of fits and starts trying to get things moving again, but at the risk of jinxing things... things appear to be moving again. I have to give some credit to my swooshy overlords whose distance requirements for these new testers forced me to step up the training without hesitation. Nothing like consistent mileage at or above 30 miles per week to get the ball rolling.

It also helps that these latest testers are FREAKING AWESOME. Probably the best fitting shoes I've worn in years. At last!

Sad news, though, is I have to send them back. In fact, they ended the test early, but I whined and wheedled (mostly in jest) and was surprised and thrilled when they said I could test them for a couple of more weeks. Yay swooshy overlords!


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Post  ounce Fri May 27, 2016 6:10 pm

They're not the dark masters you've been saying they are?  Oops!  Do they read this?

Do the shoes seem to be durable, too?  Amazing what you can do with a whip or a carrot around.

and gratz on post 6,200!!!!
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Post  Mark B Fri May 27, 2016 6:58 pm

ounce wrote:They're not the dark masters you've been saying they are?  Oops!  Do they read this?

Do the shoes seem to be durable, too?  Amazing what you can do with a whip or a carrot around.

and gratz on post 6,200!!!!

Well, you can find this blog through Google, so who knows? Depends how potent their dark magic, er, algorithms are.

Shoes are holding up very well so far, unlike the last pair I tested. That speaks more to the shape of the shoe and my foot than construction and design, but it's exciting to see a shoe that fits my freaky feet. It should fit other feet, too, which is good -- since my foot deformity affects about 0.1% of the population. What a Face

Woot! 6,200! In metric, does that make it 10K?

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Post  Mark B Sat May 28, 2016 1:58 pm

Sets of 3, 12-10-8 of:
-Modified side-leg lifts.
-Double-leg bridge "marching" while keeping pelvis steady.
-Bridge with single-leg extensions.
-Supine leg lift, keeping TA engaged and pelvis aligned
-Prone leg lift, same as above
-Half-squat using theraband around knees.
-Side-step using theraband around knees.
-Ankle flexion using theraband.
-Double-leg heel raises.
-Single-leg heel raises.

Kneeling, then standing Psoas stretches. (5-6 x 10 seconds left side, a few less on right side)

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Post  nkrichards Sat May 28, 2016 5:39 pm

Mark B wrote:
ounce wrote:They're not the dark masters you've been saying they are?  Oops!  Do they read this?

Do the shoes seem to be durable, too?  Amazing what you can do with a whip or a carrot around.

and gratz on post 6,200!!!!

Well, you can find this blog through Google, so who knows? Depends how potent their dark magic, er, algorithms are.

Shoes are holding up very well so far, unlike the last pair I tested. That speaks more to the shape of the shoe and my foot than construction and design, but it's exciting to see a shoe that fits my freaky feet. It should fit other feet, too, which is good -- since my foot deformity affects about 0.1% of the population. What a Face

Woot! 6,200! In metric, does that make it 10K?
Sounds like a 10K to me!

You mean they aren't designing a shoe specifically for your foot shape...how disappointing.  Glad to hear it's working for you anyway.  Will they let you know if/when they put it into production and what they call it so you can buy a pair?

Oh...and I see you're back to your core work today.  Good for you...I've not done so well on that front...
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Post  Mark B Sat May 28, 2016 8:55 pm

nkrichards wrote:Sounds like a 10K to me!

You mean they aren't designing a shoe specifically for your foot shape...how disappointing.  Glad to hear it's working for you anyway.  Will they let you know if/when they put it into production and what they call it so you can buy a pair?

Oh...and I see you're back to your core work today.  Good for you...I've not done so well on that front...

I don't think a custom shoe is in the offing for me unless I win the lottery, but thanks to the guys in the company's last room (the room where they make the shoe lasts) were very helpful a few years ago when they hauled us testers downstairs to get 3-D scans of our feet. When it was my turn, the guy running the scanner took a look at my feet and hollered into the next room, "Hey, Dave! Come take a look at these feet! I've never seen anything like 'em!"

That brought Dave - or whatever his name was - hurrying in. They were fascinated. Then "Dave" said, "Hold on a second, I'm going to go look for something!" and rushed out of the room. He came back a few minutes later holding a stack of paper foot outlines that correspond with their many different shoe lasts. He'd found the one that best matched the shape of my foot. It was, alas, from a last they'd stopped using a year or two earlier.

Guess what last they're using on the tester I'm using now?

Yup. That one. Very Happy

So, I guess you could say they almost are making a custom shoe, but I'll be willing to share it with others.

And yes, I do know when they're coming out. I'll have to be patient, but it'll be worth the wait.

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Post  ounce Sun May 29, 2016 10:29 pm

Mark B wrote:
nkrichards wrote:Sounds like a 10K to me!

You mean they aren't designing a shoe specifically for your foot shape...how disappointing.  Glad to hear it's working for you anyway.  Will they let you know if/when they put it into production and what they call it so you can buy a pair?

Oh...and I see you're back to your core work today.  Good for you...I've not done so well on that front...

I don't think a custom shoe is in the offing for me unless I win the lottery, but thanks to the guys in the company's last room (the room where they make the shoe lasts) were very helpful a few years ago when they hauled us testers downstairs to get 3-D scans of our feet. When it was my turn, the guy running the scanner took a look at my feet and hollered into the next room, "Hey, Dave! Come take a look at these feet! I've never seen anything like 'em!"

That brought Dave - or whatever his name was - hurrying in. They were fascinated. Then "Dave" said, "Hold on a second, I'm going to go look for something!" and rushed out of the room. He came back a few minutes later holding a stack of paper foot outlines that correspond with their many different shoe lasts. He'd found the one that best matched the shape of my foot. It was, alas, from a last they'd stopped using a year or two earlier.

Guess what last they're using on the tester I'm using now?

Yup. That one. Very Happy

So, I guess you could say they almost are making a custom shoe, but I'll be willing to share it with others.

And yes, I do know when they're coming out. I'll have to be patient, but it'll be worth the wait.
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Post  Mark B Mon May 30, 2016 1:29 pm

ounce wrote:
Mark B wrote:
nkrichards wrote:Sounds like a 10K to me!

You mean they aren't designing a shoe specifically for your foot shape...how disappointing.  Glad to hear it's working for you anyway.  Will they let you know if/when they put it into production and what they call it so you can buy a pair?

Oh...and I see you're back to your core work today.  Good for you...I've not done so well on that front...

I don't think a custom shoe is in the offing for me unless I win the lottery, but thanks to the guys in the company's last room (the room where they make the shoe lasts) were very helpful a few years ago when they hauled us testers downstairs to get 3-D scans of our feet. When it was my turn, the guy running the scanner took a look at my feet and hollered into the next room, "Hey, Dave! Come take a look at these feet! I've never seen anything like 'em!"

That brought Dave - or whatever his name was - hurrying in. They were fascinated. Then "Dave" said, "Hold on a second, I'm going to go look for something!" and rushed out of the room. He came back a few minutes later holding a stack of paper foot outlines that correspond with their many different shoe lasts. He'd found the one that best matched the shape of my foot. It was, alas, from a last they'd stopped using a year or two earlier.

Guess what last they're using on the tester I'm using now?

Yup. That one. Very Happy

So, I guess you could say they almost are making a custom shoe, but I'll be willing to share it with others.

And yes, I do know when they're coming out. I'll have to be patient, but it'll be worth the wait.
They should call it the 'Duck'

lol!

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Post  Mark B Mon May 30, 2016 1:34 pm

Trail Run: 3.05 miles

Weather: Sunny, gorgeous, mild with cool breeze. Gear: Lone Peaks, shorts, T.

We hopped in the car and headed south today to check out the course of the Elijah Bristow 6-hour run that we'll be doing in a few weeks. We wanted to get a feel for the trails, which mostly criss-cross through the woods, including a nice stretch along the Middle Fork Willamette River.

The course is a 1.05 mile lap. We finished our first "lap" in 1.84 miles.

Yup. Got a little lost. Smile

The second lap was better, since we'd figured out the proper turns and all. The trails are very well-maintained. They roll a bit up and down, but there's very little elevation gain. I bet it'd add up, though, for those doing the 24-hour event.

The biggest challenge was jumping out of the car after 2+ hours of driving and immediately heading out on the trails. Our legs never quite got into a rhythm, but since we're coming up the night before and staying nearby, that won't be an issue on the big day.

Regardless, it's a beautiful park, with buffed out trails and the river is so tempting.

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I wore my Lone Peaks rather than my testers. I'm not allowed to use them at race events, which is too bad, since they'd do great on these trails. I might end up wearing something else on race day, since the Lone Peaks are pretty serious overkill for those trails... especially on the quarter mile or so on asphalt. Maybe I'll wear my Terra Kigers or pick up those other shoes I'd mentioned before. Hm...

Didn't wear my HR strap, so no data.

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Post  ounce Mon May 30, 2016 5:03 pm

Yeah, that looked rather nice.  A 1.05 mile loop, eh?  How's she coming with her training?  Don't tell her about TAPER MADNESS.  If for your own safety.  Will Alec be cheerfully volunteering or sleeping in?
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ounce wrote:Yeah, that looked rather nice.  A 1.05 mile loop, eh?  How's she coming with her training?  Don't tell her about TAPER MADNESS.  If for your own safety.  Will Alec be cheerfully volunteering or sleeping in?

The training isn't coming along as well as she'd like, but she'll be able to achieve her primary goal of a distance PR. Her previous longest event was a half marathon. She's well aware of TM, thanks to the halfs she's run previously.

Alec will be cheerfully playing video games in a nearby hotel room.

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Post  Mark B Tue May 31, 2016 4:57 pm

Twofer Tuesday! Threefer Tuesday?!

First up ... Low HR Run: 5.08 miles

Weather: Sunny, warm sun. 63° Gear: Testers, shorts, T.

I didn't get a long run in yesterday, so I squeezed in a run before work this morning. We're starting a hot spell, and it was already getting warm when I was out there. The breeze was still cool, so that helped a lot.

I did the run low HR style and was pretty satisfied with paces and HR, though I edged up a little higher than ideal. Still close enough. I also made a point of not stopping at my turnaround point, or at any time before the running portion was up. That upped the challenge/stimulus a bit.

Planning to do a walk at lunch today. Going to be a warm one.

Walked first and last 5 minutes. Average HR for entire run: 130

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Annnd... at lunch, (warm) Walk: 3 miles

Weather: Warm! Sunny, 79° Gear: Testers

Doubling up again today, working to get as many miles in these legs (and shoes) as I can. Our heat wave has kicked in, with the temperature hitting 79 (and probably cracking 80) during my walk. There was a nice breeze off the river some of the time, but it wasn't consistent. I actually went sockless in my testers so I wouldn't soak my work socks.

Decent walk at a moderate pace. But any hotter is going to be a challenge if I don't want to come back soaked in sweat.

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But wait! That's not all!

Walk: 3.3 miles

Weather: Clear and hot. 84° Gear: Testers, walking shorts, shirt.

Out with Alita after dinner to get in a few more miles in warmer conditions. My legs weren't happy about it at first, but they surrendered to it after a mile or so and were fine afterward. Still, I hadn't expected doing a triple today.

Yup. A triple. Go figure.


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Low HR Run: 4.3 miles

Weather: Sunny, mild with warm sun. 59-61° Gear: Testers, shorts, T.

I was achy and sore when I got up this morning, so it took little convincing for me to pick an extra-easy level for my run this morning. I ended up having one of the purest "low HR" runs I have had in a very long time.

What I mean by that is this: I started off extra easy -- no issue there, because my legs didn't want any speed at all -- and I didn't notice my first split after my warm-up mile. But I did know that I was keeping my HR below my target. I was able to go slow enough to avoid having to walk at any point, even in the ravine. So when I hit Mile 3 and saw a pace of 11:14, I was pleasantly surprised. That's faster than I thought. I was more surprised when cycled through my splits at the end of the run, which looked like this: (pace/avHR):

13:11/112 (includes walking warmup)
11:14/133
11:15/137
11:39/138 (had an itty bitty hill in it)

When I was done, I was able to walk my HR down below 100, which for me is the gold standard of a low HR run -- I didn't stress my body so much that my HR wouldn't recover.

So not bad for a recovery run. Oh, the soreness? It's mostly gone.

Walked first and last 5 minutes. Average HR for entire run: 127

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Post  ounce Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:48 pm

Mark B wrote:Twofer Tuesday! Threefer Tuesday?!

First up ... Low HR Run: 5.08 miles

Weather: Sunny, warm sun. 63° Gear: Testers, shorts, T.

I didn't get a long run in yesterday, so I squeezed in a run before work this morning. We're starting a hot spell, and it was already getting warm when I was out there. The breeze was still cool, so that helped a lot.

I did the run low HR style and was pretty satisfied with paces and HR, though I edged up a little higher than ideal. Still close enough. I also made a point of not stopping at my turnaround point, or at any time before the running portion was up. That upped the challenge/stimulus a bit.

Planning to do a walk at lunch today. Going to be a warm one.

Walked first and last 5 minutes. Average HR for entire run: 130

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Annnd... at lunch, (warm) Walk: 3 miles

Weather: Warm! Sunny, 79° Gear: Testers

Doubling up again today, working to get as many miles in these legs (and shoes) as I can. Our heat wave has kicked in, with the temperature hitting 79 (and probably cracking 80) during my walk. There was a nice breeze off the river some of the time, but it wasn't consistent. I actually went sockless in my testers so I wouldn't soak my work socks.

Decent walk at a moderate pace. But any hotter is going to be a challenge if I don't want to come back soaked in sweat.

---

But wait! That's not all!

Walk: 3.3 miles

Weather: Clear and hot. 84° Gear: Testers, walking shorts, shirt.

Out with Alita after dinner to get in a few more miles in warmer conditions. My legs weren't happy about it at first, but they surrendered to it after a mile or so and were fine afterward. Still, I hadn't expected doing a triple today.

Yup. A triple. Go figure.
Must've been light in activity for the month, then trying to cram in three on the last day of the month.  Sounds like a car dealer.
Mark B wrote:Low HR Run: 4.3 miles

Weather: Sunny, mild with warm sun. 59-61° Gear: Testers, shorts, T.

I was achy and sore when I got up this morning, so it took little convincing for me to pick an extra-easy level for my run this morning. I ended up having one of the purest "low HR" runs I have had in a very long time.

What I mean by that is this: I started off extra easy -- no issue there, because my legs didn't want any speed at all -- and I didn't notice my first split after my warm-up mile. But I did know that I was keeping my HR below my target. I was able to go slow enough to avoid having to walk at any point, even in the ravine. So when I hit Mile 3 and saw a pace of 11:14, I was pleasantly surprised. That's faster than I thought. I was more surprised when cycled through my splits at the end of the run, which looked like this: (pace/avHR):

13:11/112 (includes walking warmup)
11:14/133
11:15/137
11:39/138 (had an itty bitty hill in it)

When I was done, I was able to walk my HR down below 100, which for me is the gold standard of a low HR run -- I didn't stress my body so much that my HR wouldn't recover.

So not bad for a recovery run. Oh, the soreness? It's mostly gone.

Walked first and last 5 minutes. Average HR for entire run: 127
Pretty nifty!  In their best Roger Rabbit voice, your legs said, "Pl-pl-pl-pl-pl-pleeeeze, don't do it again Sad Sad Sad !!!

Your legs thank you.
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ounce wrote:Your legs thank you.

Boy, I hope so! (And thanks for putting Roger Rabbit's voice in my head...)

I opted out of a lunchtime walk, since I'd like to be able to put in a decent medium-long run tomorrow. We'll see if Alita wants to head out for another walk this evening.

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Post  nkrichards Wed Jun 01, 2016 5:10 pm

Gone for a couple days and look at the mileage you've racked up!  Nice job on the triple and I'm impressed that you were able to listen to your body and make some of those miles easy ones.  Nice that you and Alita are able to share some of those miles and both get the training that will benefit you.

Oh...that looks like a fantastic location for an event.  Beautiful scenery and a nice trail!
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Post  Mark B Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:09 pm

nkrichards wrote:Gone for a couple days and look at the mileage you've racked up!  Nice job on the triple and I'm impressed that you were able to listen to your body and make some of those miles easy ones.  Nice that you and Alita are able to share some of those miles and both get the training that will benefit you.

Oh...that looks like a fantastic location for an event.  Beautiful scenery and a nice trail!

Hi Nancy! I'm working on it. I'm going to be spectacularly undertrained for my 50K, but I want to get as many miles in as I can. It'll help with the 6-hour run, too, which will double as a long on-you-feet session for me. And the location is terrific. I just hope we get that same breeze off the river on race day (and that it's not 100 degrees). It was heavenly.

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Post  Mark B Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:09 pm

Sorta-long run: 10.25 miles

Weather: Overcast, humid (for here). 59-62° Gear: Testers, shorts, T. Fuel: Only water, 1 S-Cap at 58 minutes in.

Still working to get as many miles in my legs as I can, and I could feel the effects of cumulative fatigue in this run. I was able to keep my HR relatively in check, and my paces weren't too bad, but my legs felt tired the whole time. It took some doing to keep going.

I also had one other distraction. My heart rate strap was slowly chewing a hole in my chest. Ow! I'd replaced the battery a few days ago and *thought* I had managed to get it swapped out without damaging the surface of the screw cap that holds the battery in pace... but apparently not. (This type of strap is notorious for this. Planned obsolescence, anyone?)  I have an angry red welt on my chest now, and it stings like crazy when sweat gets into it, too. Grr.

I've already bought a replacement strap with a different design. Yay Amazon Prime! Saved $27.

Back to the run. It had just stopped raining when I went out, so it was warm and quite humid for these parts. Despite the tired legs, I still felt like I had power even in the last stretch, so I'd say this was a good workout. I was also able to make it all the hills without having to walk my HR down. That's a definite good sign.

Walked first and last 5 minutes. Average HR for entire run: 135

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Mark B wrote:Sorta-long run: 10.25 miles

Weather: Overcast, humid (for here). 59-62° Gear: Testers, shorts, T. Fuel: Only water, 1 S-Cap at 58 minutes in.

Still working to get as many miles in my legs as I can, and I could feel the effects of cumulative fatigue in this run. I was able to keep my HR relatively in check, and my paces weren't too bad, but my legs felt tired the whole time. It took some doing to keep going.

I also had one other distraction. My heart rate strap was slowly chewing a hole in my chest. Ow! I'd replaced the battery a few days ago and *thought* I had managed to get it swapped out without damaging the surface of the screw cap that holds the battery in pace... but apparently not. (This type of strap is notorious for this. Planned obsolescence, anyone?)  I have an angry red welt on my chest now, and it stings like crazy when sweat gets into it, too. Grr.

I've already bought a replacement strap with a different design. Yay Amazon Prime! Saved $27.

Back to the run. It had just stopped raining when I went out, so it was warm and quite humid for these parts. Despite the tired legs, I still felt like I had power even in the last stretch, so I'd say this was a good workout. I was also able to make it all the hills without having to walk my HR down. That's a definite good sign.

Walked first and last 5 minutes. Average HR for entire run: 135

Nice!  I can definitely see progress. Smile

Stay out of the heat this weekend.
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