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Post  Mark B on Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:40 am

No allergies? Whew! Given all the grass/hay/etc. out on your place, that's a relief.

I stand corrected on your rest day. Sub-50 is impressive.

Good luck beating the rain!

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Post  nkrichards on Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:55 pm

@Mark B wrote:No allergies? Whew! Given all the grass/hay/etc. out on your place, that's a relief.

I stand corrected on your rest day. Sub-50 is impressive.

Good luck beating the rain!

We made it!  Last bale was stacked in the shed at 7:00 last night.  Equipment was put away and we all headed to dinner and an early bedtime.  We got .3" of rain last night and this morning with more predicted.  It was a rough couple days.  I spent 10 hours on the tractor on Tuesday.  Marty, Kevin and I were joined by Gary (he is self employed and was able to take time to help) and Katie (after work).  That was kind of neat!  Tuesday was the day we really pushed to make sure we could finish on Wednesday. 

HR is looking good.  The last few days have been 47, 50, 51, 54.  I didn't expect it to stay below 50 and I'm not surprised it was up to 54 after the busy days we had on the farm.  Pretty happy with where it's at.  I'm learning a lot about what it responds to and how long it takes to respond.  Training/farm stress have an effect but are less a problem than outside stresses.  It seems to show up a day or two later rather than during the stressful event.  It's all a learning process.  The fact that I didn't recognize the symptoms during my cardiac event...and I'm not confident that I would recognize them during another event has me pretty nervous.   I'm doing what I love and living life to the fullest...what more could you ask for!

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Post  ounce on Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:24 pm

@nkrichards wrote:I'm learning a lot about what it responds to and how long it takes to respond.  Training/farm stress have an effect but are less a problem than outside stresses.  It seems to show up a day or two later rather than during the stressful event.  It's all a learning process.  The fact that I didn't recognize the symptoms during my cardiac event...and I'm not confident that I would recognize them during another event has me pretty nervous.   I'm doing what I love and living life to the fullest...what more could you ask for!

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THAT'S the takeaway!  Regarding the event, you had no prior history of heart troubles, so how could you recognize it?

I think you're more attuned to what to lookout for now, more than ever.  What you do in training, you duplicate in the event, except maybe faster.  So, if you're not experiencing anything during training, why would you expect it during a race?  Only a rare event, like a tire and wheel coming off a truck, would strike.

Talk with the cardiologist.  See if, generally, what happens in training would happen in a race.  Plus utilize your knowledge to ease your mind.  Keep a journal (you're probably doing that).

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Post  Mark B on Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:22 pm

@ounce wrote:
@nkrichards wrote:I'm learning a lot about what it responds to and how long it takes to respond.  Training/farm stress have an effect but are less a problem than outside stresses.  It seems to show up a day or two later rather than during the stressful event.  It's all a learning process.  The fact that I didn't recognize the symptoms during my cardiac event...and I'm not confident that I would recognize them during another event has me pretty nervous.   I'm doing what I love and living life to the fullest...what more could you ask for!

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THAT'S the takeaway!  Regarding the event, you had no prior history of heart troubles, so how could you recognize it?

I think you're more attuned to what to lookout for now, more than ever.  What you do in training, you duplicate in the event, except maybe faster.  So, if you're not experiencing anything during training, why would you expect it during a race?  Only a rare event, like a tire and wheel coming off a truck, would strike.

Talk with the cardiologist.  See if, generally, what happens in training would happen in a race.  Plus utilize your knowledge to ease your mind.  Keep a journal (you're probably doing that).

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Post  ounce on Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:40 pm

Oh, and congratulations, Nancy!!!! You have replaced Dave-O as #10 in the list of Top Posters!

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Post  nkrichards on Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:12 am

@Mark B wrote:
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@nkrichards wrote:I'm learning a lot about what it responds to and how long it takes to respond.  Training/farm stress have an effect but are less a problem than outside stresses.  It seems to show up a day or two later rather than during the stressful event.  It's all a learning process.  The fact that I didn't recognize the symptoms during my cardiac event...and I'm not confident that I would recognize them during another event has me pretty nervous.   I'm doing what I love and living life to the fullest...what more could you ask for!

Ultreya...
THAT'S the takeaway!  Regarding the event, you had no prior history of heart troubles, so how could you recognize it?

I think you're more attuned to what to lookout for now, more than ever.  What you do in training, you duplicate in the event, except maybe faster.  So, if you're not experiencing anything during training, why would you expect it during a race?  Only a rare event, like a tire and wheel coming off a truck, would strike.

Talk with the cardiologist.  See if, generally, what happens in training would happen in a race.  Plus utilize your knowledge to ease your mind.  Keep a journal (you're probably doing that).

nullum timorem...

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@ounce wrote:Oh, and congratulations, Nancy!!!! You have replaced Dave-O as #10 in the list of Top Posters!

Mark, go ahead and process her royalty checks.

Money Money Money Ride

Thanks to both of you.  I know that I'm making progress and doing well...but I still worry at times.  It's one thing to think it and another thing to live it. 

Maybe "nullum timorem habeo" should be my new running mantra!

I didn't realize I was on the top 10 board Doug...huge accomplishment.  Shocked

Good news...after going back up to 54 my RHR dropped right back to 50 and then 49 the last two days.

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I have a couple things I need to get caught up in the office and at home but then I need to sit down and tackle finalizing my marathon training plan.  I've got it roughed in but not finalized.  It's only 21 weeks away. What a Face

AND I have a couple of fun/interesting things that I'm considering.  Trying to figure out if I can fit them in without compromising marathon training to much.  I'm trying to keep some fun in training without totally giving up on competitive goals.  It's all about compromise...

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Post  Mark B on Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:38 pm

Nicely teased, Nancy. (And congrats on the posting ranking!)

There's no reason to not have fun, and be competitive. The whole goal is to keep it enjoyable and challenging enough to hold our interest, right?

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Post  ounce on Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:38 pm

@Mark B wrote:Nicely teased, Nancy. (And congrats on the posting ranking!)

There's no reason to not have fun, and be competitive. The whole goal is to keep it enjoyable and challenging enough to hold our interest, right?
So that's my goal?  I thought it was to spur the economy.
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Post  nkrichards on Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:15 am

@ounce wrote:
@Mark B wrote:Nicely teased, Nancy. (And congrats on the posting ranking!)

There's no reason to not have fun, and be competitive. The whole goal is to keep it enjoyable and challenging enough to hold our interest, right?
So that's my goal?  I thought it was to spur the economy.
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I was hoping to be ready to give you a pretty comprehensive update but family time took priority yesterday so I'm going to have to do this in more than one post.

My marathon is 21 weeks away.  I normally put together a 20 week training plan to allow for a slightly slower ramp up in miles and some wiggle room so I don't stress if I miss workouts due to farming/life getting in the way.  I put together a rough training plan earlier this year but intentionally left it vague with more base building type runs and less up tempo stuff.  I did make sure I got in some longer runs.  It's time to put together a more definite plan for the next 20 weeks.  In order to do that I need to answer some questions.

  • Where am I at with mileage and readiness at this point?
  • What are my goals/priorities for this training cycle/marathon?
  • What has worked well for me in the past?
  • What can/should I tweak this training cycle?
  • What/who is accessible to help me get the most out of this training cycle?
  • What events do I want to include during this training cycle and how can I participate without compromising marathon training?


I'll tackle those questions over the next few days.  In the meantime...

Look what I found!  It's a bike ride up the McKenzie pass this Saturday...before they open the road to cars.  Woohoo.  Mark will know where this is but for others...it's designated a scenic road and it's closed all winter.  It's an awesome road even to drive and it's popular with hard core cyclists but I would never dream of riding it with cars on the road.  It's narrow, winding and it's a climb.  But...it's still closed to cars and the ride will be supported on Saturday.  This will be my first sustained hill climb...  I think Toni will be riding with me but if not I'm not concerned as it's a supported ride.  I'll do the first section to the observatory at the summit and then return.  It will be a total of 26.8 miles with 2118' of elevation gain.  I'm not ready for two climbs yet!  Great way to kick off marathon training (?)

And then this ride was posted by another friend.  It's a ride around the rim of Crater Lake in the National Park.  Approx. 25 miles with approx. 3500' of elevation gain but it's ups and downs rather than one sustained climb.  And they will have the rim road closed to vehicles.  The lake is about 2 1/2 hours from home.  The problem with this ride is that it's on Sept. 16th...the week after the MACDash (local sprint triathlon) and only 8 weeks before my marathon.  I'd love to do this ride especially if a group of riders from Madras will be there BUT...can I do this that close to the marathon without compromising marathon training?


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Post  Mark B on Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:35 pm

Those are two awesome (and awesomely challenging) rides, Nancy! The views will be spectacular.

I went to Boy Scout camp up on the McKenzie Pass area. It's gorgeous, and crazy, with the huge lava fields.

Crater Lake is, of course, even more gorgeous. Kinda jealous!

BTW, hope you saw Matt's post. Sounds like he's shutting the place down. Crying or Very sad

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Post  ounce on Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:07 pm

To your question of whether you could do it being 8 weeks out from the marathon, what is your goal for the marathon, how close are you to that, and could you take 10 days off after the bike ride, then pick up the training for 3 weeks before a 3 week taper?  OR could you sign up for another marathon?
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Post  nkrichards on Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:35 pm

@Mark B wrote:Those are two awesome (and awesomely challenging) rides, Nancy! The views will be spectacular.

I went to Boy Scout camp up on the McKenzie Pass area. It's gorgeous, and crazy, with the huge lava fields.

Crater Lake is, of course, even more gorgeous. Kinda jealous!

BTW, hope you saw Matt's post. Sounds like he's shutting the place down. Crying or Very sad

@ounce wrote:To your question of whether you could do it being 8 weeks out from the marathon, what is your goal for the marathon, how close are you to that, and could you take 10 days off after the bike ride, then pick up the training for 3 weeks before a 3 week taper?  OR could you sign up for another marathon?

Yes, awesome is putting it mildly Mark.  I'm pretty excited about these challenges.  I'll see how the ride goes on Saturday before I make a decision on the Crater Lake ride in September.  The Crater Lake ride is free but you do need to register so if all goes well on Saturday I may register and then pull the plug if I get nervous about marathon training as the date nears.

Doug...I'm committed to this marathon and making an honest effort at a BQ time...knowing that finishing well is the real goal.  If I do need to make any changes it will be postponing the Crater Lake ride and hoping I can do it another year.

Hope we can work something out and stay here...I don't have time to learn to use a new site.  I'm technologically impaired.  Grrr....  But I do want to keep in touch so will do whatever it takes.
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Post  Mark B on Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:14 pm

@nkrichards wrote:
@Mark B wrote:Those are two awesome (and awesomely challenging) rides, Nancy! The views will be spectacular.

I went to Boy Scout camp up on the McKenzie Pass area. It's gorgeous, and crazy, with the huge lava fields.

Crater Lake is, of course, even more gorgeous. Kinda jealous!

BTW, hope you saw Matt's post. Sounds like he's shutting the place down. Crying or Very sad

@ounce wrote:To your question of whether you could do it being 8 weeks out from the marathon, what is your goal for the marathon, how close are you to that, and could you take 10 days off after the bike ride, then pick up the training for 3 weeks before a 3 week taper?  OR could you sign up for another marathon?

Yes, awesome is putting it mildly Mark.  I'm pretty excited about these challenges.  I'll see how the ride goes on Saturday before I make a decision on the Crater Lake ride in September.  The Crater Lake ride is free but you do need to register so if all goes well on Saturday I may register and then pull the plug if I get nervous about marathon training as the date nears.

Doug...I'm committed to this marathon and making an honest effort at a BQ time...knowing that finishing well is the real goal.  If I do need to make any changes it will be postponing the Crater Lake ride and hoping I can do it another year.

Hope we can work something out and stay here...I don't have time to learn to use a new site.  I'm technologically impaired.  Grrr....  But I do want to keep in touch so will do whatever it takes.

No worries about having to learn a new site, Nancy. (Especially since you've mastered posting photos here!) We worked it out, and you shouldn't notice a difference going forward.

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Post  ounce on Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:38 pm

@Mark B wrote:
@nkrichards wrote:
@Mark B wrote:Those are two awesome (and awesomely challenging) rides, Nancy! The views will be spectacular.

I went to Boy Scout camp up on the McKenzie Pass area. It's gorgeous, and crazy, with the huge lava fields.

Crater Lake is, of course, even more gorgeous. Kinda jealous!

BTW, hope you saw Matt's post. Sounds like he's shutting the place down. Crying or Very sad

@ounce wrote:To your question of whether you could do it being 8 weeks out from the marathon, what is your goal for the marathon, how close are you to that, and could you take 10 days off after the bike ride, then pick up the training for 3 weeks before a 3 week taper?  OR could you sign up for another marathon?

Yes, awesome is putting it mildly Mark.  I'm pretty excited about these challenges.  I'll see how the ride goes on Saturday before I make a decision on the Crater Lake ride in September.  The Crater Lake ride is free but you do need to register so if all goes well on Saturday I may register and then pull the plug if I get nervous about marathon training as the date nears.

Doug...I'm committed to this marathon and making an honest effort at a BQ time...knowing that finishing well is the real goal.  If I do need to make any changes it will be postponing the Crater Lake ride and hoping I can do it another year.

Hope we can work something out and stay here...I don't have time to learn to use a new site.  I'm technologically impaired.  Grrr....  But I do want to keep in touch so will do whatever it takes.

No worries about having to learn a new site, Nancy. (Especially since you've mastered posting photos here!) We worked it out, and you shouldn't notice a difference going forward.
I'd try the marathon, too, because I believe you'll be in a new age group by virtue of next year's Boston is April 16, 2018.
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Post  nkrichards on Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:42 pm

@ounce wrote:
@Mark B wrote:
@nkrichards wrote:
@Mark B wrote:Those are two awesome (and awesomely challenging) rides, Nancy! The views will be spectacular.

I went to Boy Scout camp up on the McKenzie Pass area. It's gorgeous, and crazy, with the huge lava fields.

Crater Lake is, of course, even more gorgeous. Kinda jealous!

BTW, hope you saw Matt's post. Sounds like he's shutting the place down. Crying or Very sad

@ounce wrote:To your question of whether you could do it being 8 weeks out from the marathon, what is your goal for the marathon, how close are you to that, and could you take 10 days off after the bike ride, then pick up the training for 3 weeks before a 3 week taper?  OR could you sign up for another marathon?

Yes, awesome is putting it mildly Mark.  I'm pretty excited about these challenges.  I'll see how the ride goes on Saturday before I make a decision on the Crater Lake ride in September.  The Crater Lake ride is free but you do need to register so if all goes well on Saturday I may register and then pull the plug if I get nervous about marathon training as the date nears.

Doug...I'm committed to this marathon and making an honest effort at a BQ time...knowing that finishing well is the real goal.  If I do need to make any changes it will be postponing the Crater Lake ride and hoping I can do it another year.

Hope we can work something out and stay here...I don't have time to learn to use a new site.  I'm technologically impaired.  Grrr....  But I do want to keep in touch so will do whatever it takes.

No worries about having to learn a new site, Nancy. (Especially since you've mastered posting photos here!) We worked it out, and you shouldn't notice a difference going forward.
I'd try the marathon, too, because I believe you'll be in a new age group by virtue of next year's Boston is April 16, 2018.

Thanks Mark...I was quite pleased with my improved photo posting abilities.

Yes, Doug...I do age up.  Hard to believe that I ran my BQ in 2013 shortly after aging up to the 55-59 age group.  My qualifying time has increased from 4:10 to 4:25 which is a huge help.  It pays to be old I guess.  Of course you actually have to run 2-3 minutes faster than that to get in but still.

Stopped by to see what the status of the site was.  I'm exhausted and can now head to bed happy.
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Post  nkrichards on Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:49 pm

Boy have I struggled to keep up on my training reports!  I've been able to get most of my training in but have been helping with irrigation and that's often the time I sit down to update here.

So...last week...
Mon - Swim 2400 yds  Paces a bit better today.
       - Bike 11.5 to/from pool
Tues - Pilates followed by 10 hours on the tractor!
Wed - 7 mi @ 11:35 HR 145/157  Felt good to get the muscles moving again.
       - Swim 2800 yards  All fins...was a 3000 workout...cramped at 2800 yds...lasted longer than I expected.
Thur - Pilates
        - 5 @ 11:38 HR 135/149  Pleased with that HR
Fri - 6 mi including 8 x 400 Avg 2:12 @ 8:47 HR 150/170  Felt good to get some speed work in. 
Sat - Brick with 12 mile bike and 5 mile run  Felt much better than I expected!
Sun - Rest day

RHR was better last week...averaged 52 for the week.

And...this week...
Mon - Swim 2400 yds  Struggled a bit.
       - Bike 11.5 to/from pool

Tues - Pilates
        - 8 w/6 @ 9:50 HR 154/166  Settled into MP much better than my last MP run. 
Wed - Swim 2250 yds with paddles.  Struggled a bit again today.
        - bike 11.5 to/from pool

Thur - 13 @ 11:18 HR 148/164  Warm, humid, windy, spit rain...mentally difficult run but it went OK

Fri - Forced rest day as I was just to busy to train...didn't benefit from the rest(??) and my RHR soared again.  Deep breath...

Sat - Crest the Cascades 42.4 miles 3190' elevation gain.  This ride was absolutely awesome.  Great weather, great people, great support, awesome views.  WOW!  Exceeded my goals and enjoyed the heck out of it.

Sun - Last minute invite to swim in Lake Simtustus.  My first opportunity for an open water swim.  1.4 miles  Maura swam with me and her husband, Stan rented an aqua bike to keep track of us/me and make sure the boats could see us.  My wetsuit worked well.  I was quite comfortable in the water.  BUT I have some work to do.  I only breath on the right so it was difficult to stay on course.  I also had trouble with my goggles...I was using on old scratched pair as my good pair was at the pool.  I had my garmin turned on and it looks like a drunken sailor was swimming.  Stan laughed that I'm going to swim twice as far as the other participants!

My RHR did settle back down so it's obvious that the training is not the problem.  I need to learn to handle stressful situations better.

OK...that gets me caught up...still working on the finishing touches of my marathon training plan...which officially starts tomorrow.

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Post  ounce on Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:20 pm

That bike ride up the Cascades sounds really cool.  Seems like you're in a good groove in the training.  Keep it up...and the rest, too.
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Post  nkrichards on Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:23 pm

@ounce wrote:That bike ride up the Cascades sounds really cool.  Seems like you're in a good groove in the training.  Keep it up...and the rest, too.

Yes Doug, the bike ride up McKenzie Pass was really cool.  Trying to figure out if/how to incorporate more of those cool activities into my training...

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Marathon training has been interrupted by the arrival of grandchild number six.  Connor Nathan Richards joined the family yesterday.


Connor arrived five days early.  Marty and I are scrambling to cover Kevin's farm work.  Unfortunately we had already promised an employee a couple days off, the heat hit, and the carrots are maturing much quicker than expected.  We are busy!  Oh well...I talked Marty into cleaning up and heading to Bend to meet Connor last night...we made it just before they locked the doors at 9:00.

A gentle reminder of the important things in life...and the reasons that I chose to become a runner 10 years ago.

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Even though I've been helping with farm work I was able to sneak away for a couple hours for swimming yesterday.
2350 yds.  I was able to maintain much better paces.
Bike 11.5 to/from the pool.  Easy pace

This morning was hectic again.  I skipped Pilates to help Marty with irrigation and make sure he could get started with his carrot spraying as early as possible.  By the time I picked up pesticides and gave him a couple rides it was 11:00 and 77 degrees.  I had a 9 mile run (with 7 mi @ MP) on the schedule.  It was not going to happen.  I briefly considered skipping it entirely and then decided that it was going to be hot and busy for the next couple weeks so I better do whatever I could.  I opted for 5 miles at a very easy pace.  Ended up with a 12:03 pace and a HR of 143.  Pretty happy with that under those conditions.

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Post  Mark B on Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:13 pm

This is such a busy time for you, I'm impressed with your ability to balance it all out as well as you do.

The bike ride sounds great, and the swimming is coming along nicely.

Oh, and congratulations on the new grandbaby!


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Gratz on the granddaughter, too, Nancy!  Another future farmer!!

Does the early maturation of the carrots translate into that time commitment being compressed, then of course being filled by another task, or not?

One of these days, I guess I'll get a handle on a good distance in swimming that you're doing, but you seem pleased, so I am, too.
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